Cameron wins German support on EU talks

Wookster

BertieUK wrote: »

I want more common sense from Governments elected. You have a play with words that twist the truth around to suit your own passions. Lets see what you come up with now.

All of us want that, however you still want to vote for people with the glib tongue who are promising the earth but will deliver Blackpool.

BertieUK

Wookster wrote: »

All of us want that, however you still want to vote for people with the glib tongue who are promising the earth but will deliver Blackpool.

There you go again, putting words into my mouth, the truth is quite the reverse. Its about time you got off your high horse and came down to earth and listened to the people.

Conrad

Thrugelmir wrote: »

What are we are witnessing is the East undergoing an industrial revolution of its own. The world is a changing place. Transferring physical production to China. Means that China is also gaining technical knowledge. Which took us decades in the West to develop. The East will have little need for the West in many respects. Perhaps some niche quality products but no mass volume requirements.

This precise prediction has been made many times over the last hundred years. There are endless books and papers from the 1970's predicting America's inevitable decline to Japan and Russia for example.

You are deffo wrong on this:p

China is spewing out an army of robots. In the main, new ideas come from free peoples with open and inquisative minds.

Furthermore we are still producing far far more patents and new technologies.

Add to this the fact we are good at soft power - this stuff really counts. As an example go anywhere in the world and you find American and British tunes and films playing. Easy to dismiss, but actually VERY indicative and important to take this into account. It adds up to much.

Nano tech / AI / robotics / prosthetics (vast change to come here) / new materials / new semi conductors / organs grown to order / stem cells used to repair your cancer without ever picking up a knife / stem cells used to correct eyesight and thousands of other developments are areas the British still ensnare a great slice of.

London is the new IT startup hub.
Gaming is a vast business- the Chinese are nowhere, unless you count sticking labels on boxes.

GeorgeHowell

BertieUK wrote: »

There you go again, putting words into my mouth, the truth is quite the reverse. Its about time you got off your high horse and came down to earth and listened to the people.

Don't take it personally. Many of us agree with some of what you say, about exploitation, nest-feathering fat cats etc. But if you listen to the people, many of them want to have their cake and eat it. They want excellent public services, expensive welfare etc without high taxation. Labour's answer was to get into terrible debt, and now we see the inevitable result of that.

When it comes to fat cats and nest feathering I think the champagne socialists, typified by the Labour heirarchy, are among the worst culprits -- terrible hypocrites.

If you have come in for some flak I would venture to suggest that it's because like many Labour supporters you vote with your heart, and not with your head.

BertieUK

George... Now the public is ripe to hear the facts as they are from people like you who can put over the rights and wrongs of where we could be heading if we are not careful.

I want to hear politicians putting the people first is a language that they understand, and please dont use the old gimmicks and casting up, in your next manifeso. Like billboards of really childish remarks like Labour is not working, as much as it may not be working the electorate are not interested in the past, that is history,they want to hear what your plans are for our future, not what mistakes were made by past Governments of which I must admit I am guilty of.

CLAPTON

Most people vote for their own self interest at least in part.

so the rich vote conservative because they are promised low taxation so they can pay school fees and use private medical and have nice skiing holidays; whilst the poorer people want 'free' health service and decent 'free' education for their children with some 'fun' too.

both it seems vote with the heads.

GeorgeHowell

CLAPTON wrote: »

Most people vote for their own self interest at least in part.

so the rich vote conservative because they are promised low taxation so they can pay school fees and use private medical and have nice skiing holidays; whilst the poorer people want 'free' health service and decent 'free' education for their children with some 'fun' too.

both it seems vote with the heads.

But how does that explain for example Alan Sugar being a Labour supporter, and BBC journalists who set up companies to avoid full income tax but almost certainly support Labour ?

Thrugelmir

GeorgeHowell wrote: »

But how does that explain for example Alan Sugar being a Labour supporter,

Where he's come from and the battles he has fought to achieve what he has.

I know an ex CEO of a Nasdaq company. His father was a miner in Nottinghamshire. At Oxford Uni was a marxist. Softened over the years but still holds strong views on the world.

BertieUK

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Where he's come from and the battles he has fought to achieve what he has.

This I feel is a credit to a man who has known the hardships of life and respects what he has earned.

He has the experience that the so called 'posh boys' have never had, through no fault of theirs, so they could not understand what it was like to go through hard times.

Wookster

BertieUK wrote: »

This I feel is a credit to a man who has known the hardships of life and respects what he has earned.

He has the experience that the so called 'posh boys' have never had, through no fault of theirs, so they could not understand what it was like to go through hard times.

As opposed to the champagne socialists such as ken livingstone, ed milliband, ed balls etc?

:rotfl:

Its easy to be socialist when you are wealthy!