Install a wood burning stove

lukerichardson40

Well guys...

I got an email from my local council asking about this and they said it would cost £206! So, already it is cheaper to use this guy.

Thanks for all your help!

Luke

thebaldwindowfitter

Planning and environmental health
In certain situations (for example where exempt appliances require new flues or where new emissions from existing chimney stacks are likely to have a negative impact on neighbouring properties), installations may also need to be considered on planning and environmental health grounds and the conclusions of this process may prevent the installation of exempt appliances.
http://www.camden.gov.uk/ccm/content/environment/air-quality-and-pollution/air-quality/guidance-on-wood-burning-stoves.en
those arent up north

suisidevw

As above, if it's a 5kw Essee, you wil need an outside airvent. Anything under and you won't.

£200 is a great price nonetheless!

thebaldwindowfitter

muckybutt wrote: »

Look up permitted development !

Adding a cowl and even external flues etc fall under permitted development which is why PP isnt always required.

Have a read BIOMASS - BOILERS and heating.

I rest my case ! that is why I or the Hetas fitters / customers I work with have never applied for PP as it classed as permitted development, hope that clarifies it for you.

The reg you quoted earlier were for Scotland, the above links are for English regs / law which may well be different to those over the border.

i :A personally prefer to give my advice based on the whole country and NOT on the presumption that somebody lives south of the border or that they live in the same county as me (think your clutching at straws with your argument i have proved planning permission may be needed even if only new flue is to be fitted on both sides of the border the boiler link regarding flues does not come into this boilers and log burners have different planning rules regards flue as im sure if you ask your hetas buddies you would find out i am right )that way then there can be no confusion as to whether certain conditions like planning are involved .After all if the op did need planning permission but didnt get it and based his argument in mis information off this site who do you think would win planning or op :T please for you sake refrain from digging yourself in deeper

muckybutt

What ever - I know nothing ! ive got it all wrong - you are right in your eyes.... as a window fitter says it all really, ive only been in the buisness 8+ years

thebaldwindowfitter

muckybutt wrote: »

What ever - I know nothing ! ive got it all wrong - you are right in your eyes.... as a window fitter says it all really, ive only been in the buisness 8+ years

Well obviously not well clued up in the business your in otherwise you WOULD know in CERTAIN conditions planning IS required as i have proved in two council areas both north and south of the border when installing log burning stoves and new flues .As the owner of a Double glazing installation company i too canself certify my own work (just as hetas installer can )as a fensa registered installer and must install new windows ,doors and conservatories and also give my advice based on building regulations and planning rules as a competant person . if you feel that you have given advice based on the regulations and planning rules obviously in your posts you have somehow summized that non of the planning rules apply to the op from his initial post and somehow even know that the op lives in england not scotland (you quoted that my advice was only based in edinburgh due to my link and so didnt apply ) i have in all my posts said planning might be required . Rather than making comments like stick to fitting windows etc in order to discredit me why not spend a little more time researching YOUR field of business .And i can beat you in the length of business its 24 years next march :beer:

lukerichardson40

I believe you are both correct...

thebaldwindowfitter - In some cases planning would be required.

muckybutt - In my case planning is not required.

You are both right I think. Kiss and make up?

muckybutt

Certain conditions yes, however that is not what you said in post #5 which is where this debarcle arised.

Its obvious you will say you are right as I am wrong and vice versa, all I know is I have seen 100's of new install jobs in 3 different council areas - some with completely new chimneys some installed into existing chimneys, none of which have had to apply for PP or submit plans for the work, some have been self installs - many have been by Hetas installers...not just one installer but several different ones.

And going by the planning portal link I posted earlier all will have been done under permitted development, otherwise there are 100's of illegally installed stoves in the North / East Yorks & Humberside counties and I cant see that really being the case can you ?

I have put my point across as have you so we'll leave it there.

thebaldwindowfitter

I'd stick to windows
as a window fitter says it all really, ive only been in the buisness 8+ years

Please just stick to windows
I have put my point across as have you so we'll leave it there.

All your quotes , you have put your point across but is there any need for your comments above .you also make repeated reference to the planning portal i take it you didnt read it all because this is taken from the very page you refer to

Building Regulations

If you wish to install a biomass appliance, building regulations apply. You should take into account factors such as ventilation, noise and general safety. Installation should be carried out by a suitably qualified installer.

Building regulations also apply to other aspects of the work such as electrical installation and plumbing work.

Disclaimer

This is an introductory guide and is not a definitive source of legal information. Read the full disclaimer here.
This guidance relates to the planning regime for England. Policy in Wales may differ. If in doubt contact your Local Planning Authority.

muckybutt

!!!!!! building regs isnt pp, nor do you have to submit drawings.

You specifically said you need to submit drawings etc and that is not correct as I have pointed out.

Get over yourself.

Since you want to cut and paste :

Biomass Fuelled Appliances

Planning Permission



Planning permission is not normally needed when installing a biomass system in a house if the work is all internal. If the installation requires a flue outside, however, it will normally be permitted development if the conditions outlined below are met.

• side elevation of the building are allowed to a maximum of one metre above the highest part of the roof.
• If the building is listed or in a designated area even if you enjoy permitted development rights it is advisable to check with your local planning authority before a flue is fitted. Consent is also likely to be needed for internal alterations.
• In a conservation area or in a World Heritage site the flue should not be fitted on the principal or side elevation if it would be visible from a highway.

NOT NORMALLY NEEDED....theres a clue there !

Ohh look another Hetas installer :

http://www.stovestoyou.co.uk/wood-burning-stove-installation

Quote :

"If you don't have a chimney then a class 1 HETAS approved twin wall stainless steel insulated liner is required and installation costs would start at around £1500. Planning permission is not normally required. Liner and stove installations should be undertaken by a HETAS engineer to HETAS regulations"

And another http://www.thestoveyard.com/pwpcontrol.php?pwpID=8608

"Do I need planning permission to install a stove?

Since 2005 it has been a legal requirement to notify your local authority Building Control department of your intention to install most fixed heating appliances in your home (whether it is a simple replacement or not), and this includes wood burning and multi fuel stoves and boiler stoves. Although this is not 'Planning Permission' in the strictest sense, you really do ignore this at your peril because Building Control approval, and the appropriate building Regulations compliance certification for the installation work, will almost certainly be requested should you ever wish to sell your house or there is an installation-related insurance claim. We understand that some insurance companies now ask that you inform them of such installations and that they wish to see this documentation as a matter of course."

I could go on there are several more web sites / installers / manufacturers etc that I could quote from, so in you saying you need to submit plans and get PP for stove installs you are saying the vast majority of all stove installers throughout the UK are in fact not following the laws of the land and there are now 100's if not 1000's of stoves that all had to have PP....I dont think so!

Clear enough now ?