Install a wood burning stove

Buellguy

lukerichardson40 wrote: »

Sorry about that, my mistake.

I will report back when it is fitted as to how it performs. I have gone for a 5kw Esse 100MF. Looks nice and should heat us up nicely. But if you have a surplus of dry clean wood (not painted etc) then you should probably go for it!

So from what I have gathered is... I could do it myself, but would probably cost a bit getting the council to inspect. I would not need planning permission but I would need it inspecting after. Best bet is to pay these guys £200, which seems a good price, and get them to do it. Agreed?

Thanks everyone.

We've got one of those and it is great (and looks good), OP for 200 squids I'd just pay the fitter and ENJOY

thebaldwindowfitter

Planning permission is not normally needed when installing a biomass system in a house if the work is all internal. If the installation requires a flue outside, however, it will normally be permitted development if the conditions outlined below are met.

"If you don't have a chimney then a class 1 HETAS approved twin wall stainless steel insulated liner is required and installation costs would start at around £1500. Planning permission is not normally required. Liner and stove installations should be undertaken by a HETAS engineer to HETAS regulations"

Although this is not 'Planning Permission' in the strictest sense, you really do ignore this at your peril because Building Control approval, and the appropriate building Regulations compliance certification for the installation work, will almost certainly be requested should you ever wish to sell your house or there is an installation-related insurance claim.

the words "not normally required "both highlighted in red does not mean NOT required there is a clue there also . The fact that hetas installers can self certify means just that as to wether planning permission is required on any of there installations is there concern not mine or yours .i simply point out to the op that planning permission might be needed if he was to do a diy install i think if i was doing it myself id like to have the correct information available rather than saying no its not needed the old saying if somebody put there head in the oven it doesnt mean you had to .

muckybutt

:wall: What ever ive had enough :wall:

thebaldwindowfitter

It is the responsibility of the client to contact their Local Authority Planning officer or Listed Buildings Officer to establish if planning permission is required.
can i fit a log burner myself ?

The answer to this is YES! But you may have to apply for planning permission either in advance or retrospectively.

It is also worth considering whether or not you will need planning permission to have a flue fitted. This depends on several factors therefore it is essential that you explore this issue before commencing work, although in theory planning permission can be sought retrospectively. To avoid hassle and unforeseen future costs it is wise to investigate this aspect in advance. Remember to feature in the cost of applying for planning permission into your budget.

this also keeps popping up on various log burner suppliers/installer websites i wonder why they dont quote" permited developement rules" rather than saying planning might be needed maybee they are wrong too and should stick to fitting windows

hethmar

Only just seen this one and dont have the energy or time to read all of it. Just to say, 30 years of stove fitting and chimney lining and the only cases where PP is required is when its been a new build, conversion or in a listed building. Naturally in most of these cases the architect will have dealt with the pp required and its likely buildings control will include it in their inspections for signing off of the whole job.

If every fitting job required PP before we started I should imagine we would be booking in to 2025 for jobs now. Of course the job must comply to Building Regulations, but this is different to planning permission obviously.

You can do the job yourself. We have had customers do that, they have rung the local Buildings Control - half the time they dont bother to check it before the job - then they come out afterwards and if everything is kosher they will sign it off themselves (this is not a HETAS cert which is what HETAS installers can issue). Both certs are valid and our local buildings inspectors charge £150 + VAT.

From what I can make out from a quick scan of the OP's post, he is doing the job himself but paying a HETAS installer to connect it up and sign it off. No materials included, just a quick job for £200. This will not warranty the liner so keep any other paperwork safely. Personally we wouldnt do this as we would want to check every stage of the job and the materials used before we put our name to it being safe and correctly installed.

Word of caution - if you feel you must ask for permission for a listed building, and OF COURSE you must, we have one job in a 16th century house that is still not done after 2 years of the customer haggling with the local authority on widening the opening of the fireplace by 2" to accept the stove he chose and also putting a cowl on the chimney. Puts you off having a listed house doesnt it.

lukerichardson40

Thanks hethmar...

The fitters are going to put the plate in which goes above the stove to seal the chimney. They are providing this as part of the price, said it will be fire board I think. They have inspected it and decided we do not need a liner as the chimney is fine.

I am looking forward to getting my stove in and getting some heat in the house before winter really sets in!

hethmar

Hmm, very few old houses have suitable flues that dont need lining to be honest. We only use galvanised steel for register plates. Are these people shown on the HETAS site as registered?

I take it that you will get a certificate from them and check that they actually register it with HETAS. Check about getting the HETAS cert now before they do the job.

Make sure you get a sealed CO monitor wont you.

lukerichardson40

They are registered - starlings solid fuel and fireplace specialists in Hull. I will check with them about getting the cert before the job, thanks for the tip!

The company I got the stove from (Jubilee Joinery, Hull) use them for all their installs and Jubilee have a good name so they cant be too bad.

Perhaps a second opinion would be a good idea?

We will be sure to get a CO monitor and a thermometer. I have always had open fires so this is a whole new thing for me.

lukerichardson40

Just done a quick look about register plates... some places say they must be steel, others say they can be insulated board (such as the vitcas site)... does anyone know the rules on this?

Thanks for everyones help!

muckybutt

Having had a fire board one and now having a metal one, I would recommend the metal one.

Seeing as you are not having a liner fitted you will also need to either fit a soot box into the chimney breast or you will need a trap putting in the register plate for sweeping access.

I can give you the name of a fitter from Brid that may possibly come out to Hull, pm me if you want their number.