Install a wood burning stove

muckybutt

a6windows wrote: »

customer applying for a Building Notice from their Local Authority taken from here http://www.hetas.co.uk/consumer/regulations/

and you are obviously sure that these conditions dont apply taken from

http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=10&ved=0CHoQFjAJ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.edinburgh.gov.uk%2Fdownload%2Fdownloads%2Fid%2F4175%2Fdomestic_wood_burning_stoves_and_biomass_boilers&ei=HYiuUIjJKaTE0QXd_oHoCA&usg=AFQjCNFAavRV3LClN_WHl53Xt1QoyGioOg



Wood Burning Stoves -
Wood burning stoves are covered by Class 2 -1 of the General Permitted Development Order 1992.
Planning permission for a flue for a wood burning stove will be required if:
(a) any part of the dwellinghouse would as a result of the works, exceed the height of the highest part of the existing roof;
(b) any part of the dwellinghouse would, as a result of the works, extend 10 centimetres beyond the plane of any existing roof slope;
(c) the roof area of the enlargement exceeds 10% of the roof area of the dwelling house before development;
(d) any roofing material used would materially affect the external appearance of the dwellinghouse;
(e) the dwelling house is in a Conservation Area.
In all these cases, a planning application is required.

That may well be the case for a completely new chimney, but the op isnt talking about a new chimney being built, the op is on about a liner being fitted into an existing chimney as most stove installs do.

As I said planning permission / drawings are NOT required for stove installations.

I'd stick to windows

muckybutt

lukerichardson40 wrote: »

All that needs doing is the wood burner needs lifting in to position (which I can do). It then needs the pipe installing (which I have) and then the top sealing with a check plate/heat proof board.

suisidevw wrote: »

So does that £200 include register plate etc?

As above svw, presuming the check plate / fireboard is the register plate. £200 is a damn good deal

thebaldwindowfitter

(b) any part of the dwellinghouse would, as a result of the works, extend 10 centimetres beyond the plane of any existing roof slope;

and you are positive that this wont apply that 100mm could be a different cowl or chimney stack which could be needed to give the fire the draw it needs to keep the fire running efficiently one should never assume which IS of course what you are doing and i have no wish to leave installing windows it gives me a very high standard of living to which i have become accustomed .I have given my answers based on the limited information given by the op it clearly states in the documents i have shown that planning permissions can be required you after all have only based your answers on what the op has said also and are NOT an expert you simply base your answers on your experiences do you know your circumstances were the exactly the same i think not

lukerichardson40

Hello all...

A6windows... you say I gave limited information. What other information would you need? Sorry if I missed something.

The details are -

1. The fire place is open, hearth built and surround all within regs (nothing flammable near by, hearth large enough etc).

2. The chimney is the existing one, no modifications needed. It has been cleaned and certified by a registered chimney sweep.

3. The cost I mentioned (£200) includes a register plate made on site by the fitter out of heat proof board. Not a steel one apparently.

If any further information is required please let me know!

Thanks for everyones help!

thebaldwindowfitter

you didnt say in your original thread that the chimney would need no modifications i was pointing you in the direction of legislation which states in some conditions planning permission is required my response has been to muckybutt who has assumed without the full facts of your install which you have today given.We supply old window frames to a few people who have log burners i have been thinking for many years about fitting one myself due to savings i would make

lukerichardson40

Sorry about that, my mistake.

I will report back when it is fitted as to how it performs. I have gone for a 5kw Esse 100MF. Looks nice and should heat us up nicely. But if you have a surplus of dry clean wood (not painted etc) then you should probably go for it!

So from what I have gathered is... I could do it myself, but would probably cost a bit getting the council to inspect. I would not need planning permission but I would need it inspecting after. Best bet is to pay these guys £200, which seems a good price, and get them to do it. Agreed?

Thanks everyone.

muckybutt

lukerichardson40 wrote: »

Sorry about that, my mistake.

I will report back when it is fitted as to how it performs. I have gone for a 5kw Esse 100MF. Looks nice and should heat us up nicely. But if you have a surplus of dry clean wood (not painted etc) then you should probably go for it!

So from what I have gathered is... I could do it myself, but would probably cost a bit getting the council to inspect. I would not need planning permission but I would need it inspecting after. Best bet is to pay these guys £200, which seems a good price, and get them to do it. Agreed?

Thanks everyone.

You got it Luke, you will also need an external air vent if its 5kw or above.

muckybutt

a6windows wrote: »

you didnt say in your original thread that the chimney would need no modifications i was pointing you in the direction of legislation which states in some conditions planning permission is required my response has been to muckybutt who has assumed without the full facts of your install which you have today given.We supply old window frames to a few people who have log burners i have been thinking for many years about fitting one myself due to savings i would make

So why make the assumption that planning permission would be required ?

My comments were made with reference to the op's original post which makes no reference to altering the stack so why bring it up ? doesnt make sence, if the op had said chimney wasnt high enough or he needed a twin wall flue then the advice given would have been completely different, therefore I have not assumed anything - it is you that has got things out of context from the very start.

You make it quite clear you are not quite au feit with stove installs in existing situations, where as I on the otherhand have been involved with several stove installs both new and existing and have swept and maintained several hundren stoves and fireplaces so I think I know a little more than you do, but I'm not one to dwell on it.

As for adding a larger cowel etc and getting planning permission for that - again that is something the council wouldnt even bother about, I work very closely with several Hetas installers and neither they nor the home owners ever apply for something that trivial, even I didnt and I live in a listed building in a conservation area !

Please just stick to windows

thebaldwindowfitter

Planning permission / plans for installing a stove are not required, well not required in the three different counties I have lived in so far !

the regulations regarding planning are there in black and white and gives reasons for needing them SIMPLES wether you or hetas installer friends disregard them is not my concern MY concern is to give the correct advice based on the original post which doesnt state that the chimney will be un altered .i do also apologise for my first post were i missed the vital FOR out as mentioned in an earlier post

muckybutt

Look up permitted development !

Adding a cowl and even external flues etc fall under permitted development which is why PP isnt always required.

Have a read BIOMASS - BOILERS and heating.

I rest my case ! that is why I or the Hetas fitters / customers I work with have never applied for PP as it classed as permitted development, hope that clarifies it for you.

The reg you quoted earlier were for Scotland, the above links are for English regs / law which may well be different to those over the border.