Freesat or Freeview?

almillar

sniggins - you're wrong. You can access that TV guide whether you pay Sky a penny or not. The consumer does not pay Sky directly for the TV guide. Like Freeview and Freesat, channels pay to be on the guide. You DO have to pay someone, somewhere to decrypt the Free To Air channels. You DO have to pay Sky monthly if you want to be allowed to record things. Both of these things are controlled by the viewing card that's in your Sky box. Pull it out whilst watching Sky1. It will vanish. The TV Guide will still be available.

nollag2006 - I'm not aware of any new channels that have been announced for Freesat at the moment, but places like http://www.digitalspy.co.uk are good for keeping an eye on things like that.

sniggings

almillar wrote: »

sniggins - you're wrong. You can access that TV guide whether you pay Sky a penny or not. The consumer does not pay Sky directly for the TV guide. Like Freeview and Freesat, channels pay to be on the guide. You DO have to pay someone, somewhere to decrypt the Free To Air channels. You DO have to pay Sky monthly if you want to be allowed to record things. Both of these things are controlled by the viewing card that's in your Sky box. Pull it out whilst watching Sky1. It will vanish. The TV Guide will still be available.

nollag2006 - I'm not aware of any new channels that have been announced for Freesat at the moment, but places like http://www.digitalspy.co.uk are good for keeping an eye on things like that.

I'm not wrong, you just misunderstood what I said.

I didn't say you couldn't access the TV guide, I said the £10 fee is to pay for the setting up of series links and start times etc if you have a Sky contract the cost is covered in that, if you don't, why would Sky do the work on the guide such as series links, changing start times and finish times etc for someone not paying anything to Sky.

The free to air channels are already there, all Freesat is, is a TV guide, for a channel to be on there they need to pay, that is where they get their funding from.

So your wrong not me

BRIANCARSON

I have Virgin V+ box - two Freeview PVR's and a freesat HD PVR - if we move Virgin to one side

if I had to pick between the two then I would say at this time Freeview has the edge on freesat but if more channels were added { the ones missing from freesat but already on Freeview } then freesat will have the edge.

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sniggings wrote: »

I said the £10 fee is to pay for the setting up of series links and start times etc if you have a Sky contract the cost is covered in that, if you don't, why would Sky do the work on the guide such as series links, changing start times and finish times etc for someone not paying anything to Sky.

The £10 fee is pure profit for Sky.

Series links are completely automated and cost Sky next to nothing to implement for the millions of Sky+ customers.

sniggings

Moneyineptitude wrote: »

The £10 fee is pure profit for Sky.

Series links are completely automated and cost Sky next to nothing to implement for the millions of Sky+ customers.

I understand that, I did say IF they could say the £10 was for anything it would be for the work on the links etc, I was disagreeing with another poster who said it was to unscramble the signal.

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sniggings wrote: »

IF they could say the £10 was for anything it would be for the work on the links etc,

But Sky can't and don't claim that it goes towards paying for "links etc"!
It's actually quite a liberty Sky takes in disabling the PVR functions for non-subscribers. After all, the former customer owns the decoder and so should be able to continue use of it to it's fullest extent.

As always, Sky's primary goal is profit.

sniggings

Moneyineptitude wrote: »

But Sky can't and don't claim that it goes towards paying for "links etc"!
It's actually quite a liberty Sky takes in disabling the PVR functions for non-subscribers. After all, the former customer owns the decoder and so should be able to continue use of it to it's fullest extent.

As always, Sky's primary goal is profit.

please mate read the full thread as I agree with you, I didn't say they claimed it was for that, surely if you can not use the links etc but can if you pay £10, the conclusion would be it's for the use of the work that goes into the guide i.e the start stop signals etc, I'm only guessing, as another poster said it was because sky scramble your recording which to me is incorrect, if I am wrong please post a source.

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sniggings wrote: »

if you pay £10, the conclusion would be it's for the use of the work that goes into the guide i.e the start stop signals etc, I'm only guessing

I know perfectly well you're only guessing and I have read the whole thread!
But you keep on "guessing" the same thing even though I've already told you that Sky don't "justify" the charge because they don't have to.
They just charge the fee because it makes a 100% profit and because no regulator has seen fit to prevent them from doing so.
Here's a link to Sky's Twitter team "justifying" the Sky+charge:
http://twitter.com/BryanFoss/status/273031988028510209

Question;"Please justify why I cannot record Freesat channels on the Sky HD+ box that I purchased, own & am responsible to maintain." Bryan Foss

Answer; "we supply the Sky+ subscription and you will be cancelling this." Sky Twitter team

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sniggings wrote: »

the whole point of free to air channels is they can not be encrypted, sky do not have a right to encrypt free to air channels.

Even if the Sky+ hard drive is filled only with recordings taken from Free-To-Air channels none of these are viewable if the Sky+ subscription is cancelled.

sniggings

Moneyineptitude wrote: »

Even if the Sky+ hard drive is filled only with recordings taken from Free-To-Air channels none of these are viewable if the Sky+ subscription is cancelled.

omg...because you have used their TV guide to record, they have set the set time, they have set the end time, that is why,

you only get the free to air channels if you cancel, so I'm not sure which other channels you are referring to.