Tony Benn slams BBC on air for "capitulating to Israeli pressure"

The_White_Horse

Wookster wrote: »

Its all part of the plan to drive Palestinians out of the West Bank. They call it facts on the ground.



We know all about your "facts" and they are anything but.

which facts are wrong?

and why are you confusing the West Bank with Gaza? The WB is controlled by Abbas. Gaza elected in Hamas. They are seperate entities.

Wookster

The_White_Horse wrote: »

which facts are wrong?

and why are you confusing the West Bank with Gaza? The WB is controlled by Abbas. Gaza elected in Hamas. They are seperate entities.

Wow really? What you mean the West Bank and Gaza aren't the same?

Is that why they have different names?

The_White_Horse

so why mentioned the west bank at all?

also, which facts were not true?

The_White_Horse

The Oslo Accord - where they were negotiating what they could have had 40 years earlier.

PaulF81

Israel should never have been gifted in the Middle East. If as part of ww2 repatriations the Jews were gifted Bavaria instead, we wouldn't be in this mess. Jewish terrorists killed hundreds of British soldiers in 1946, we as a nation warned the in it was a really crap idea to locate them there, no one listened?

Quite frankly, both parties have blood on their hands and are as bad as each other.

The_White_Horse

PaulF81 wrote: »

and are as bad as each other.

I wouldn't go that far.

The_White_Horse

PaulF81 wrote: »

Israel should never have been gifted in the Middle East. If as part of ww2 repatriations the Jews were gifted Bavaria instead, we wouldn't be in this mess. Jewish terrorists killed hundreds of British soldiers in 1946, we as a nation warned the in it was a really crap idea to locate them there, no one listened?

Quite frankly, both parties have blood on their hands and are as bad as each other.

actually, put it this way. if you were out there and got caught - would you rather be caught by Hamas or the IDF?

ILW

PaulF81 wrote: »

Israel should never have been gifted in the Middle East. If as part of ww2 repatriations the Jews were gifted Bavaria instead, we wouldn't be in this mess. Jewish terrorists killed hundreds of British soldiers in 1946, we as a nation warned the in it was a really crap idea to locate them there, no one listened?

Quite frankly, both parties have blood on their hands and are as bad as each other.

Would have been a nice neat solution. No innocent parties affected.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

The_White_Horse wrote: »

The tragedy of this situation is that when the UN offered the two state solution in 1947 the arabs rejected it.

Well, yes.... As they should have, given they had just seen their country stolen from one set of colonial Europeans by another set of displaced Europeans, through a violent and bloody terrorist campaign.

Followed by ethnic cleansing, wholesale theft of private property, and the displacement of millions of the native born population.

Israel is no more legitimate or illegitimate a state entity than the Taliban controlled Afghanistan was, or Serbian controlled Kosovo, or indeed the United States of America after it's revolution against the British.

All were created as a result of terrorist activities and armed insurrection against the incumbent government. The difference between them is simply a matter of perspective, and the winner getting to write the history books.

One mans freedom fighter is another mans terrorist. A point we would all do well to remember when discussing the current Israel/Palestine conflict.

Now at some point time tends to obscure these facts, and Israel has played a very clever political game in overcoming what was certainly an existential threat over the early years, given the country was created from terrorism and outright theft.

That doesn't however mean that it's OK to just look the other way when they murder civilians in occupied territory. Or indeed to accept without question the narrative they like to create.

A large part of the European Jewish population were subjected to sickening levels of Genocide, ethnic cleansing, and property theft in the 1940's. And then chose to impose that same fate on another population thousands of miles away. Which has caused problems for the world ever since.

The saddest thing about this whole sorry affair is that we let them get away with it, through guilt about what we had allowed to happen to the Jewish population under Nazi Germany. So I suppose we should now ask ourselves, where is our guilt about the fate of the Palestinians under Israel?

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

The_White_Horse wrote: »

I wouldn't go that far.

Then you probably haven't seen the footage of Israeli tanks machine gunning children.

Or Israeli bulldozers running over and killing an American girl protesting for peace.