Universal Job Match at http://jobseekers.direct.gov.uk

1940sGal

old-muggins-here wrote: »

They probably won't check every jobseeker granted.. but what's to stop them doing random spot checks at will?

this link says a lot

ttp://pikasnaughtycorner.blogspot.co.uk/2012/11/universal-jobmatch-day-one.html

Either way I have concerns, concerns which haven't been discussed with me in any detail. (thank god I'm starting a new job next week).

but if I weren't I'd exercise my full right to ask questions towards the security of the database of which my personal details will be included. and as in the link above, there's security concerns over the DPA. if they force people to register (as it would appear, many today so far have been told to sign up) under the privacy terms of the site alone "do not sing up if you do not want personal information to be passed on to third parties" basically...

I get you completely, I'd be asking the same questions re the security.

But on the other hand I do think if jobseekers are doing all they can to find work, it will show and in the end it won't give the advisers cause for concern or a reason to check up on you.

If, however, you've got a person who doesn't appear to be doing all they can and the advisers get suspicious, I think it could be a good thing. People who are on JSA but are not seeking work will, hopefully, get found out through this and if they get their benefits taken away as a result, more the better.

csmw

Gosh I never read so much scare mongering in my life.

Someone please tell me the difference between creating an account on. Total jobs, monster indeed etc and registering on universal job match??

An advisor cannot log in as a customer and submit applications on there behalf....I dong know where you would think we have the time to do that.

We can however if given permission to, view application history and saved searches....we have our own login's that can view a customers history ( not ammend it) recommend jobs and send messages.

It is not mandatory to sign up, however if an advisor deems it useful we can direct you to sign up therefore essentially making it mandatory.

A

john539

1940sGal wrote: »

I get you completely, I'd be asking the same questions re the security.

But on the other hand I do think if jobseekers are doing all they can to find work, it will show and in the end it won't give the advisers cause for concern or a reason to check up on you.

If, however, you've got a person who doesn't appear to be doing all they can and the advisers get suspicious, I think it could be a good thing. People who are on JSA but are not seeking work will, hopefully, get found out through this and if they get their benefits taken away as a result, more the better.

You're saying people go along with the system, even though the system may be wrong.

That explains a lot of the problems withe the system & Jobcentres.

The fact that jobseekers question things that are happening & what they are asked to do is a good thing.

Any advisor that reads it as suspicious is an idiot, doesn't like being challenged, doesn't have an answer, or on a power trip, but they're low paid, following the rules, looking after their jobs.

john539

csmw wrote: »

Gosh I never read so much scare mongering in my life.

Someone please tell me the difference between creating an account on. Total jobs, monster indeed etc and registering on universal job match??

An advisor cannot log in as a customer and submit applications on there behalf....I dong know where you would think we have the time to do that.

We can however if given permission to, view application history and saved searches....we have our own login's that can view a customers history ( not ammend it) recommend jobs and send messages.

It is not mandatory to sign up, however if an advisor deems it useful we can direct you to sign up therefore essentially making it mandatory.

A

But people have not been told what's going on.

What do you mean you can view a customer's history ?

What history do you mean, with or without their permission ?

1940sGal

john539 wrote: »

You're saying people go along with the system, even though the system may be wrong.

That explains a lot of the problems withe the system & Jobcentres.

The fact that jobseekers question things that are happening & what they are asked to do is a good thing.

Any advisor that reads it as suspicious is an idiot, doesn't like being challenged, doesn't have an answer, or on a power trip, but they're low paid, following the rules, looking after their jobs.

I've met some crap advisors in my time. Some real swines. But they're not all like that and to consider them all as you have described above is harsh and unfair.

If they read a job seeker's form as suspicious, what's so wrong with that? If you've nothing to hide, you've nothing to lose. If they read it as suspicious and find you haven't applied for any of the jobs listed then your benefits will be stopped and rightly so. Or should advisors just not bother checking up on anyone? Let the scroungers get away with it thus breeding more scroungers.

And, frankly, in the current economic climate I wouldn't bemoan anyone 'looking after their job'.

1940sGal

john539 wrote: »

But people have not been told what's going on.

What do you mean you can view a customer's history ?

What history do you mean, with or without their permission ?

Their job searching history, obviously, since they're the job centre. Christ it's not difficult. Do you really think a JCP advisor gives a hoot if you've been on facebook or twitter or any other site that does not involve job seeking? So long as they can see you've stuck to your agreement, that's all they want.

And he's clearly said it's only if you give them your permission and will only make it mandatory if they think you're not doing all you should be.

old-muggins-here

csmw wrote: »

Gosh I never read so much scare mongering in my life.

Someone please tell me the difference between creating an account on. Total jobs, monster indeed etc and registering on universal job match??

An advisor cannot log in as a customer and submit applications on there behalf....I dong know where you would think we have the time to do that.

We can however if given permission to, view application history and saved searches....we have our own login's that can view a customers history ( not ammend it) recommend jobs and send messages.

It is not mandatory to sign up, however if an advisor deems it useful we can direct you to sign up therefore essentially making it mandatory.

A

The point being missed here is... it was developed with Monster. Monster who have systematically failed to safegaurd personal information. To which most of the people I know do not have a Monster account for this reason.

If the new website is to be better than the old service, why does it state in the privacy terms that information could be passed on to third parties?

it also states in the terms and conditions "it cannot be held responsible for data" pretty much...

The old website worked, the pen and paper routine worked. If it works, why change it? like they say "if it ain't broke, don't fix it"

Understandably.. things that are new, cars, computers etc etc can all have "teething" troubles to begin with. The fact that so many people all over the country are showing great signs of concern towards privacy and more besides should be enough.....

what if by August 2013 the target of 1.2m JSA claimants is reached and the servers which retain this data are then hacked? then what.... it's happened to monster on more than one occasion.. so why can't it happen to UJ ?

For people who are honestly seeking employment, making methodical searches and exploring every possible avenue to ensure they secure employment there's other methods such as contacting companies on spec, other job search websites, newspapers and more...

To me it seems rushed, anyone on benefits seeking work this should have been put in writing months ago, every office up and down the country using the same document (to reduce confusion and errors with grammar). Also it would leave time to answer any questions from any claimant.

Gaz1971

This is confusing, I signed on today and was told I had to sign up for it and was given the impression that if I didnt, I wouldnt get my benefit.

However, when you go on the site to register, it gives the impression its just a useful tool to help you if you want it, it doesnt say anything about you having to do it, it even gives the option to sign up for it and not allow the JC any access to your search history.

old-muggins-here

1940sGal wrote: »

Their job searching history, obviously, since they're the job centre. Christ it's not difficult. Do you really think a JCP advisor gives a hoot if you've been on facebook or twitter or any other site that does not involve job seeking? So long as they can see you've stuck to your agreement, that's all they want.

And he's clearly said it's only if you give them your permission and will only make it mandatory if they think you're not doing all you should be.

unless I'm mistaken there's one problem with the statement above...

if you do register but you DO NOT give them permission, your CV and other data will still be online through a system developed by Monster.

If what I've read turns out to be correct. When the universal credit comes into power in April people under this new regime will then have all their details online too.

ask yourself... you have over 1million people claiming JSA. you then have masses (don't know any figures) that are on other kinds of benefits that are also online, would this not make a hackers dream? all that personal information readily available.....

I have to agree though.. for your long term claimant of jobseekers then yes they should be strongly advised to register (but there's still a concern over privacy) like I said, even if you choose not to let the JCP or DWP monitor your account, you account is still on a server which could be hacked....

1940sGal

Gaz1971 wrote: »

This is confusing, I signed on today and was told I had to sign up for it and was given the impression that if I didnt, I wouldnt get my benefit.

However, when you go on the site to register, it gives the impression its just a useful tool to help you if you want it, it doesnt say anything about you having to do it, it even gives the option to sign up for it and not allow the JC any access to your search history.

I think in general the JCP advisors haven't been given enough information and some are getting differing info and passing that on to people like yourself, thus causing a great deal of confusion across the country.