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Its a testament to apple's marketing machine that this discussion is even framed as Mac vs PC, a Mac IS a PC. The question should be broken down to which OS is better for a PC (OS X, Windows, Linux), which hardware manufacturer is the best value for money and is it worth paying a premium for a system that can run OS X?
Is it Mac's or Windows given when you say "PC" people are equally blind and immediately assume it is Windows rather than Linux, BSD, Chrome, OS2, BeOS etc
Your certainly correct that they are all personal computers (hence PC) but I dont think Apple is the only one with a marketing department.0 -
the_r_sole wrote: »the old "designers use macs" line?
what software and what spec of machine are using that "has" to a mac?
I too am a designer and have used both platforms in professional environments and there is now no actual need to use macs over pcs, it's something that was maybe the case 10-15 years ago
What is your problem? Not just you in fact, anyone that refuses to accept maybe, just maybe someone is allowed to say they like a MAC over a pc for some things. It seems there has to be someone jumping on questioning it. I did NOT say 'Macs rule' nor would I ever say this as like I say, I use both on a daily basis, a pc more as it goes.
With a mac, how about split screen by default to view the source of a webpage and the actual page or scrolling sideways, something I could not actually live without now. 2 things I use all day long.
I am not aware if you can do both of these on a pc and they may sound like nothing but if you can't and someone suggests 'install Mac OS on a pc' then that's just ridiculous and why when I can buy a mac there and then with these, and many other functions.
Like I said, pc's are fine for some things, mac's are good for others in my opinion0 -
I can say the opposite. My kids both have laptops that are 11 years old (Toshiba's running XP). They use them daily and run as well as the day they came out of the factory. In the meantime my old iBook G3 from the same year spends most of it's time on a shelf because it's really showing it's age and has become barely usable. I only kept it for taking screen dumps for articles, etc. but I have other methods now.
...and if you clog your PC up with rubbish it's going to run slow (as in your first point). What you're saying is if you fill your PC up with bloatware it's going to be slower than your Mac, well yes, of course it is.
Newer PCs will load just as quick as any Mac thanks to UEFI. Prior to UEFI PCs were reliant on a firmware interface designed in the '70s with bits tacked onto it over the next 30+ years. I built a UEFI-based PC a few weeks back that could load in around 10 seconds, it had a 3Tb WD Black HDD and 4 Gb of Corsair RAM and it cost just shy of £350 to build.
You pay more because Apple have a great marketing department and aren't spread out like the myriad of PC designers. The uniform approach appeals to humans.
Who said Windows needs to be installed and how is comparing an Operating System to the hardware effective in making a decision on a new purchase? The OP could quite as easily install a Linux flavour onto a new PC and be just as happy with it.
Your post indicates the usual (brainwashed?) nonsense that goes on in the Mac/PC flaming war throughout the internet. One isn't automatically better than the other. I use an iPhone and an Android tablet, each one performs specific tasks useful to me and still I see people on the internet and offline who seem to believe that it's one or the other, it's nonsense.
Certainly one is not 'automatically better than the other' however I think a huge number of computer users (the majority perhaps? maybe not) would haver to agree PC's do run slow after a while, MAC's don't seem to do so. A MAC with 20GB of RAM runs faster and more efficiently than a PC with the same. Maybe not for everyone every time but I can only speak from my own experience.0 -
johnnyboyrebel wrote: »What is your problem? Not just you in fact, anyone that refuses to accept maybe, just maybe someone is allowed to say they like a MAC over a pc for some things. It seems there has to be someone jumping on questioning it. I did NOT say 'Macs rule' nor would I ever say this as like I say, I use both on a daily basis, a pc more as it goes.
With a mac, how about split screen by default to view the source of a webpage and the actual page or scrolling sideways, something I could not actually live without now. 2 things I use all day long.
I am not aware if you can do both of these on a pc and they may sound like nothing but if you can't and someone suggests 'install Mac OS on a pc' then that's just ridiculous and why when I can buy a mac there and then with these, and many other functions.
Like I said, pc's are fine for some things, mac's are good for others in my opinion
"my problem" is that you have said designers don't have a choice but to use a mac - which isn't true at all, what you could have said is that you prefer some things about ios, rather than saying designers need macs.
it's these old sweeping statements that always get me...This is a system account and does not represent a real person. To contact the Forum Team email forumteam@moneysavingexpert.com0 -
johnnyboyrebel wrote: »A MAC with 20GB of RAM runs faster and more efficiently than a PC with the same. Maybe not for everyone every time but I can only speak from my own experience.
Would hope it would with 20GB.
Perhaps everyman and his dog has a "pc" whereas macs tend to be used more as a tool hence they aren't so bloated with dross. "pcs" used professionally. controlled environment, are less likely to be filled with rubbish too."If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
johnnyboyrebel wrote: »A MAC with 20GB of RAM runs faster and more efficiently than a PC with the same. Maybe not for everyone every time but I can only speak from my own experience.
What's the benchmark for this? Have you got two identical specced machines performing the same tasks? Statements like that need explanation...This is a system account and does not represent a real person. To contact the Forum Team email forumteam@moneysavingexpert.com0 -
johnnyboyrebel wrote: »What is your problem? Not just you in fact, anyone that refuses to accept maybe, just maybe someone is allowed to say they like a MAC over a pc for some things. It seems there has to be someone jumping on questioning it. I did NOT say 'Macs rule' nor would I ever say this as like I say, I use both on a daily basis, a pc more as it goes.
The problem is when you are wrong on the internet there will be someone to challenge you. come on you're a web designer you should know this.
http://xkcd.com/386/
plus dreamweaver works the same on Windows as it does on OSX and ive never ever ever seen a html IDE that doesn't support split.
Additionally the designer view is never really reliable, you still have to push it through the rendering engines of your browser sets or use something like superpreview or browserlab.
Having read the posts I will upgrade my advice and suggest using a Magic 8-ball to answer your questions.0 -
Mac's just run so fast i have a Macbook Air ad its so quick it takes seconds to load and shut down.
As you would expect from any computer fitted with a SSD.Microsoft cant build a decent operating system to save there lives!! They are hopeless and make things to complicated!!
Entirely subjective, however if you take the combined userbase as an indicator it would seem the market disagrees with your conclusion.0 -
johnnyboyrebel wrote: »Certainly one is not 'automatically better than the other' however I think a huge number of computer users (the majority perhaps? maybe not) would haver to agree PC's do run slow after a while, MAC's don't seem to do so. A MAC with 20GB of RAM runs faster and more efficiently than a PC with the same. Maybe not for everyone every time but I can only speak from my own experience.
Presumably using the same RAM with the same clock speeds, under identical hardware, for whatever imaginary experiment you're running here would leave you with the result that your speed difference would come down to software, efficiency of the code being run and the number of processes currently drawing on said RAM.
Like I said in an earlier post you Macs and PCs are now using the same hardware so any inefficiency will be down to software and, like I also said in an earlier post, why the assumption the PC would be running Windows?
What you seem to be doing is comparing Mac's OS against Windows because you can't really compare the hardware because it's one and the same.
Windows PCs run slow after a while for a while range of reasons, user accidentally installed some bloat or malware, too little free space on the hard drive causing slow down due to the handling of the Windows file system. Most other causes are hardware related which Macs are also susceptible to.
I don't know why you have the impression that Macs don't experience slow downs either, I've worked with both for years and from a support point of view they're prone to the same kind of problems.0 -
pingthe_r_sole wrote: »"my problem" is that you have said designers don't have a choice but to use a mac - which isn't true at all, what you could have said is that you prefer some things about ios, rather than saying designers need macs.
it's these old sweeping statements that always get me...
You misunderstood mate. I actually said i, as a designer, think the mac is the only option. I did not speak for everyone as that would be stupid.
If it sounded different then that will be my fast phone typing
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