Retired people could work for pensions..

xylophone

an RAF officer

Is he? And a gentleman?;)

xylophone

tell me, what options did your grandparents have? why should you be able to sacrifice your childrens futures just for a little extra longetivity?

My grandfathers served their country and my grandmothers brought up children who worked and saved.
We invested love,time and money in our child's future and continue so to do...

ash28

StevieJ wrote: »

I wonder what the surviving Battle of Britain pilots would make of this excuse for an RAF officer

Is he really? And he has the gall to castigate pensioners who have paid into a system for many years and thinks they should put down when they become unwell.

If he serves long enough (16 years for an officer, if I remember rightly) he receive a gold plated pension - free of charge. Courtesy of the tax payer.

How fortuitous.

PaulF81

lessonlearned wrote: »

Paul - I am absolutely appalled by the vitriol you have expressed.

If you had spoken this way about any other section of society - ie ethnic minorities, persons of colour, Jews, Muslims, Gays etc you would have been flamed.

Have you no shame.

Yes previous generations have fought for freedom of speech, but this is "Incitement to Hatred" of the worst sort.

its absolutely not. look, in 20 years from now, the cuts we have seen will completely pale in comparison to what we will face. if anyone is deluding themselves that we will see the sort of growth we saw to allow us the quality of life we enjoy you are simply wrong. the global population has grown far too big, something that is widely acknowledged but little talked about. there are plenty of leading nations that practice what i talk about in terms of rationed treatment,its just not widely advertised. it DOES happen within the nhs, again, not just widely talked about. gogle NICE.

we have grown fat on a fake boom which saw our quality of life propelled to far beyond what itmshould have been. that includes medical treatment, benefits, public sector jobs growth and pensions far in excess of what the nation can afford. i havent expressed any views of hatred towards older people, just that their slice of the pie in terms of state expenditure far exceeds the dues they paid during their lifetimes and also what later generations can expect. i make a point of these issues. no section of society should have a carte blanche ring fence away from discussion, especially at a time difficult decisions are made across government.

by the time i retire, i will probably not see a state pension; my current line of work is widely acknowledged to shorten lifespan by around 10 years due to disturbed sleeping cycles and solar radiation. i accept this and i believe my current salary makes up for this (in civvie street btw so no pension till 65, which will have been eroded by cpi so will be practically worthless).

i left at a point will see me recieve no pension till 65 now; the private sector pension however is forecast to be much better than what i would have had under the new post 2015 pension anyhow. so much for gold plated public sector pensions. the 6% non contributory scheme i am on will kick the crap out of what i was on, and long term pay 15 years from now) is double what i was on.

for those of you outside of the outrage bus, i suggest you read David Willetts book, 'the pinch'. enlightening stuff. not every under 35 year old rents and works at mcdonalds you know. some of us do our fair share for our nation, its a shame some to seem to think their age gives them a higher moral ground.

xylophone

by the time i retire, i will probably not see a pension

There were probably many who paid into the state pension who didn't see theirs, just as there are may people who pay for insurance who never make a claim......

You win some, you lose some....life's like that.

PaulF81

thorsoak wrote: »

Tell us, PaulF - were you raised by wolves? Or by parents who sacrificed things in their lives in order to feed you/support you?

Because in the past, this was the general way of things - we (speaking personally) helped our children, including helping to finance their first steps on the housing ladder. We did not "eat our own children's future" as you so graphically put it - we invested in their futures. This is what our generation did - will you do the same?

absolutely. I already am. I left a job which paid much better for family stability and more security. and a better pension outside of my state pension.

quite proud tomsay i have never taken cash off my family, for any step. all through loans, now long repaid at commercial rates.

thorsoak

PaulF81 wrote: »

absolutely. I already am. I left a job which paid much better for family stability and more security. and a better pension outside of my state pension.

quite proud tomsay i have never taken cash off my family, for any step. all through loans, now long repaid at commercial rates.

So you were brought up to be selfish, then - it all makes sense now.

A naval expression occurs to me "pull up the ladder, Jack - I'm alright".

And the OAPs are the selfish ones.......

thorsoak

PaulF81 wrote: »

its absolutely not. look, in 20 years from now, the cuts we have seen will completely pale in comparison to what we will face. if anyone is deluding themselves that we will see the sort of growth we saw to allow us the quality of life we enjoy you are simply wrong. the global population has grown far too big, something that is widely acknowledged but little talked about. there are plenty of leading nations that practice what i talk about in terms of rationed treatment,its just not widely advertised. it DOES happen within the nhs, again, not just widely talked about. gogle NICE.

we have grown fat on a fake boom which saw our quality of life propelled to far beyond what itmshould have been. that includes medical treatment, benefits, public sector jobs growth and pensions far in excess of what the nation can afford. i havent expressed any views of hatred towards older people, just that their slice of the pie in terms of state expenditure far exceeds the dues they paid during their lifetimes and also what later generations can expect. i make a point of these issues. no section of society should have a carte blanche ring fence away from discussion, especially at a time difficult decisions are made across government.

by the time i retire, i will probably not see a state pension; my current line of work is widely acknowledged to shorten lifespan by around 10 years due to disturbed sleeping cycles and solar radiation. i accept this and i believe my current salary makes up for this (in civvie street btw so no pension till 65, which will have been eroded by cpi so will be practically worthless).

i left at a point will see me recieve no pension till 65 now; the private sector pension however is forecast to be much better than what i would have had under the new post 2015 pension anyhow. so much for gold plated public sector pensions. the 6% non contributory scheme i am on will kick the crap out of what i was on, and long term pay 15 years from now) is double what i was on.

for those of you outside of the outrage bus, i suggest you read David Willetts book, 'the pinch'. enlightening stuff. not every under 35 year old rents and works at mcdonalds you know. some of us do our fair share for our nation, its a shame some to seem to think their age gives them a higher moral ground.

Funnily enough, my private pension was forecast to be more than 95% more than I actually receive now; my OH died after only receiving his state pension + private pensions for 4 years.

None of us know what the future holds for us - not even you. Just pray that you do not get sick, or poor, or old.

PaulF81

thorsoak wrote: »

Funnily enough, my private pension was forecast to be more than 95% more than I actually receive now; my OH died after only receiving his state pension + private pensions for 4 years.

None of us know what the future holds for us - not even you. Just pray that you do not get sick, or poor, or old.

if i do, i can accept that with grace and humour.

it still doesnt get around the point that if the cost is in excess of what is affordable for the long term health of the nation, its unaffordable. by not changing things now we are making things worse for others. namely later generations.

BobQ

PaulF81 wrote: »

for those of you outside of the outrage bus, i suggest you read David Willetts book, 'the pinch'. enlightening stuff. not every under 35 year old rents and works at mcdonalds you know. some of us do our fair share for our nation, its a shame some to seem to think their age gives them a higher moral ground.

So this is where your spoutings emanate from. Willets, the man whose views can be interpreted as saying that a woman's place is in the home. Like you he failed to provide evidence for his assertions that the baby boomer generation has taken out more than it has put in.

One thing he is right about is that the rich are getting richer in our unfair society and its true that the baby boomer generation are certainly part of that problem. Of course, there has always been a disparity of wealth across society but its nothing to do with generational differences.

Recent policies (from Thatcher onwards and including Blair and Cameron) have encouraged the acquisition of personal wealth and its use to buy privilege. What exactly has Willets done to counter this trend? He has put up university fees and made it easier for those with wealth to buy privilege for their children abd beeb part of a Government that has reduced taxes for the weathy I am not suggesting that the previous shower did not do similar things, the disparity that Willets ponfificates about is not the fault of Baby Boomers and indeed as they enter retirement they may experience economic conditions that work against them.