Retired people could work for pensions..

Jennifer_Jane

for those of you outside of the outrage bus, i suggest you read David Willetts book, 'the pinch'. enlightening stuff. not every under 35 year old rents and works at mcdonalds you know. some of us do our fair share for our nation, its a shame some to seem to think their age gives them a higher moral ground.

Of course many of the baby boomers can take the higher moral ground. We have proved ourselves. You haven't, you haven't had time to do so. Anything could happen to you.

As for working now at 66 to get the 'benefit' of the State Pension - what a nonsense. I sent payments from South Africa as contributions to my NI record. I certainly wouldn't have done that had there been a requirement to pay in and then also work! What about the UK State Pensioners who live abroad, how would anyone be able to make them work?

And, Paul, to suggest that people are sitting at home lonely, what nonsense. Today's pensioners are at U3A doing physical and stimulating mental things - they are also looking after grandchildren and generally helping with child-minding when they can. Apart from that we are out and about spending - we are trying to keep up with technology, so are getting new laptops, smartphones, smart TVs and so on.

Please take the chip off your shoulder. Life has been phenomenally unfair to me in lots of ways, and it won't be fair to you, but, as the French say "Tant pis". You just get on with things.

And that's another reason why we can take the high moral ground. We have experience, and we have survived.

PaulF81

Jennifer_Jane wrote: »

Of course many of the baby boomers can take the higher moral ground. We have proved ourselves. You haven't, you haven't had time to do so. Anything could happen to you.

As for working now at 66 to get the 'benefit' of the State Pension - what a nonsense. I sent payments from South Africa as contributions to my NI record. I certainly wouldn't have done that had there been a requirement to pay in and then also work! What about the UK State Pensioners who live abroad, how would anyone be able to make them work?

Sorry love, by the age of 30 I had a masters, attained a professional qualification and served my country in three operational and quite nasty theatres, and commanded in 2. I'm already on my second career, in the top 5% of earners. This comment typifies your lot, you love to stereotype earlier generations as a bunch of wasters when the reality is we actually work and serve far harder than the majority of boomers who had it far easier.

What makes you think that you should be able to take earlier retirement than mine and expect me to pay for it? Why shouldn't you expect retirement at 70, as i can? What gives your generation the right to pull up the planning drawbridge, denying later uk born citizens the right to create themselves a decent uk home? I dont remember there being any restrictions when the plans for new towns were laid down in the south a few generations ago.You have no right, yet the minute planning or pension reform is mentioned for the boomers, you scream blue murder whilst expecting cuts to the benefits to disabled or those out of work. Complete hypocrites and I have never seen evidence to the contrary.


As for state pensioners abroad, I have far less sympathy for them than some of the other demographic groups being significantly affected by uk austerity (which I fully support) whilst granny gripes by the pool on a mini englandesque setup abroad. I would suggest they should blinking well sell up if they couldn't find work.

BobQ

PaulF81 wrote: »

What makes you think that you should be able to take earlier retirement than mine and expect me to pay for it? Why shouldn't you expect retirement at 70, as i can?
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Paul, if the longevity trends continue you will probably live much longer than someone who is now in their 60s. Are you suggesting that everyone retires at the same age without considering how old they are or how much retirement they are likely to enjoy?

BobQ

PaulF81 wrote: »

Sorry love, by the age of 30 I had a masters, attained a professional qualification and served my country in three operational and quite nasty theatres, and commanded in 2. I'm already on my second career, in the top 5% of earners. This comment typifies your lot, you love to stereotype earlier generations as a bunch of wasters when the reality is we actually work and serve far harder than the majority of boomers who had it far easier.

Fair point about sterotyping and generalisations and credit to you for all you have done. However, are you typical of your generation?

PaulF81

BobQ wrote: »

Paul, if the longevity trends continue you will probably live much longer than someone who is now in their 60s. Are you suggesting that everyone retires at the same age without considering how old they are or how much retirement they are likely to enjoy?

IF is a big assumption! On what basis do you base this upon? Can you guarantee this, or are the government cynically projecting forward a line to meet their policy requirements and to protect the large proportion of their voters, thereby inflicting further restrictions and pain on other sectors of society? Can you imagine this being reversed if longetivity decreases?

We needed to share this. Not dish it out to those who don't read the mail or the express. There a plenty of pensioners or those about to enter retirement who could have been extended. Excuses of "what jobs" doesn't wash. The same problem will exist when I approach retirement at a much older age than the current lot enjoy.

This could have been sweetened by reducing restrictions in the planning laws focussed on benefitting young professionals and keyworkers Instead the vindictive old so and SOs blocked that too didn't they?

Jennifer_Jane

PaulF81 wrote: »

Sorry love, by the age of 30 I had a masters, attained a professional qualification and served my country in three operational and quite nasty theatres, and commanded in 2. I'm already on my second career, in the top 5% of earners. This comment typifies your lot, you love to stereotype earlier generations as a bunch of wasters when the reality is we actually work and serve far harder than the majority of boomers who had it far easier.

What makes you think that you should be able to take earlier retirement than mine and expect me to pay for it? Why shouldn't you expect retirement at 70, as i can? What gives your generation the right to pull up the planning drawbridge, denying later uk born citizens the right to create themselves a decent uk home? I dont remember there being any restrictions when the plans for new towns were laid down in the south a few generations ago.You have no right, yet the minute planning or pension reform is mentioned for the boomers, you scream blue murder whilst expecting cuts to the benefits to disabled or those out of work. Complete hypocrites and I have never seen evidence to the contrary.


As for state pensioners abroad, I have far less sympathy for them than some of the other demographic groups being significantly affected by uk austerity (which I fully support) whilst granny gripes by the pool on a mini englandesque setup abroad. I would suggest they should blinking well sell up if they couldn't find work.

Can't answer this right now, as I have to go out. But re your last sentence, now who is stereotyping? And how insulting to people who are living abroad for a variety of reasons (one of the countries I lived in was because I was taken there by my Royal Naval father). Not everyone is in Marbella. And again, I think that your bitterness is spoiling your life. What a lot of time you manage to spend on this ridiculous argument.

In addition, you have been patronising to me, and clearly you think that putting me down like that will enhance your argument.

As for your history to date, well firstly this is an internet forum, so you could just be saying that, and secondly you have had the benefit of a terrific education. May I ask how much that cost you? I'm not being challenging, I would genuinely enjoy knowing how much it cost. And what way is your having a Master's degree helping the rest of us - please do say that you do voluntary work to help the community (as so many older people are now doing at their time and pace, however).

Anyway, I do genuinely have to go. I have to collect my lover from the station. Ah but old people are lonely.... just wish I had more time to reply to your post, and to have joined in earlier.

PaulF81

BobQ wrote: »

Fair point about sterotyping and generalisations and credit to you for all you have done. However, are you typical of your generation?

Thanks. I have not met a single person I have served that wasn't made of the right stuff. I think there were around 60,000 telic medals issued, that's a pretty large proportion of our younger generation. Afghan was pretty savage back in 05, and I met some of the bravest young people from pretty deprived backgrounds whilst there.

One of the big reasons why I get narked off at youngsters who are wasters, when people of similar backgrounds serve their country with complete dedication and refuse to use their social background as an excuse.

BobQ

PaulF81 wrote: »

On what basis do you base this upon? Can you guarantee this, or are the government cynically projecting forward a line to meet their policy requirements and to protect the large proportion of their voters, thereby inflicting further restrictions and pain on other sectors of society?

We needed to share this. Not dish it out to those who don't read the mail or the express. There a plenty of pensioners or those about to enter regiment who could have been extended. Excuses of "what jobs" doesn't wash. The same problem will exist when I approach retirement at a much older age than the current lot enjoy.

There are no guarratees for an individual but on average a 30 year old today can expect to live longer than a 60 year old today. Obviously if you take the view that nobody should ever retire and should work until they drop this is irrelevant. But if you think people should be able to enjoy some period of retirement surely saying everyone must work till 80 is unfair.

PaulF81

Jennifer_Jane wrote: »

Can't answer this right now, as I have to go out. But re your last sentence, now who is stereotyping? And how insulting to people who are living abroad for a variety of reasons (one of the countries I lived in was because I was taken there by my Royal Naval father). Not everyone is in Marbella. And again, I think that your bitterness is spoiling your life. What a lot of time you manage to spend on this ridiculous argument.

In addition, you have been patronising to me, and clearly you think that putting me down like that will enhance your argument.

As for your history to date, well firstly this is an internet forum, so you could just be saying that, and secondly you have had the benefit of a terrific education. May I ask how much that cost you? I'm not being challenging, I would genuinely enjoy knowing how much it cost. And what way is your having a Master's degree helping the rest of us - please do say that you do voluntary work to help the community (as so many older people are now doing at their time and pace, however).

Anyway, I do genuinely have to go. I have to collect my lover from the station. Ah but old people are lonely.... just wish I had more time to reply to your post, and to have joined in earlier.

I could be saying that, there are enough walts out there and there are a few strange uns on the Internet. I am not using my masters which I find frustrating. I finished UNi with 22k in student debt.

Voluntary work, I do some work for help the aged (no, seriously) but its more support for people in my local village who need a hand.

Enjoy your evening.

PaulF81

BobQ wrote: »

There are no guarratees for an individual but on average a 30 year old today can expect to live longer than a 60 year old today. Obviously if you take the view that nobody should ever retire and should work until they drop this is irrelevant. But if you think people should be able to enjoy some period of retirement surely saying everyone must work till 80 is unfair.

Any small token gesture would have been appreciated, especially for those not established in the pension scheme. The thing that really got my goat wasn't in fact the pensions issue, that just raised my blood pressure a little, when I saw the vitriol from some regarding other benefits and how they were happy to see them cut whilst pensions were left untouched. What really got my goat was the backdown on planning reform. It actually doesn't affect me, I already have a decent home in a nice area. It would have been nice for the sector in society that we will pay for over the next decades (on top of debt interest generated also) hadn't shouted and screamed and objected so much at planning reform on the green belt. I don't see what difference sacrificing 1% of the green belt would have made over the next 20 years for the benefit of young professionals, with no planning penalties for social housing. Hey Ho. Suppose that was too much to expect despite it being cost positive for the country in terms of employment.

I'm no townie by the way. I love the countryside, I just think giving our hard working young professionals a decent home to raise their family in close enough to their place of employment shouldn't be too much to expect when a lot of them are in the higher rate of tax within 5 years of graduation with extensive university debt to pay off on their professionally required degrees.