Retired people could work for pensions..

PaulF81

thorsoak wrote: »

So what is your excuse for being selfish? The fact that you have benefitted from an expensive education, from a even more expensive training which now allows you to earn at the higher rate of taxation?

You obviously begrude those that raised you, that educated and trained you, that contributed to that - and think that they are no better than something that you would scuff off the sole of your shoe - well, no matter - that is how most of us opposing your views view you!

When have I once complained about my lot in a single post on here? What I comment on is what will affect my generation as a whole, and later generations, including my children's generation. I could take the attitude that "I'm alright jack", the point is, I care deeply for this country and its future and that goes further than protecting the interests of a single sector of society.

The response on here is typical of why the boomers generate so much policy in order to protect what I perceive they see as a birthright. Mark my words. Once the wool is pulled off the eyes of the current younger generations and they reach an age to hold influence in the house, the boomers are going to get hammered for the drawbridge approach they have taken in taking all. Planning restrictions case in point, ring fencing of the NHS being the other, finally, means testing certain benefits affecting certain younger generations whilst the winter fuel allowance goes untouched demonstrates the current complete double standard applied in terms of policy

exarmydreamer

PaulF81

Please remember the allowances that you received from the tax payers pocket:

Officer uniform allowance
Subsidized living accommodation (Married or Unmarried)
Petrol coupons (abroad) or petrol alloowance
Cheap fuel (abroad) and Council tax (CILOCT) reduction
Petrol refunds for leave and missed meals payments
Educational qualification refunds and Resettlement allowances
Moving costs and cleaning
Over 5 and 10 hour claims on missed meals
Flights back to hand over quarters (RAF only)
Bonuses for time served
Boarding School Allowances for serving personnel's children
Local overseas allowances for families and singletons
LSSA bonuses for operational tours

The list is endless, did you not benefit from these allowances, that came from the public purse. The most important one being your wages and pension contributions.

I am pleased to let everyone who reads this thread know, that not everyone who has served or is about his age, (i'm not that much older than him) is as selfish or ignorant. I truly apologise on behalf of all those who have served and are serving, who appreciate their parents the elderly and infirm for this persons insulting comments.

GeorgeHowell

PaulF81 wrote: »

When have I once complained about my lot in a single post on here? What I comment on is what will affect my generation as a whole, and later generations, including my children's generation. I could take the attitude that "I'm alright jack", the point is, I care deeply for this country and its future and that goes further than protecting the interests of a single sector of society.

The response on here is typical of why the boomers generate so much policy in order to protect what I perceive they see as a birthright. Mark my words. Once the wool is pulled off the eyes of the current younger generations and they reach an age to hold influence in the house, the boomers are going to get hammered for the drawbridge approach they have taken in taking all. Planning restrictions case in point, ring fencing of the NHS being the other, finally, means testing certain benefits affecting certain younger generations whilst the winter fuel allowance goes untouched demonstrates the current complete double standard applied in terms of policy

More scattergun, ".. and here's another bloody thing.. " type ramblings.

Get a grip, man. For someone who has had the life experiences that you describe you must be at an age where the naive, idealistic, studentish, angry young man attitude needs to be left behind, and some maturity of thought emerge.

I suspect that there is an element of troll-ism in these diatribes, in the hope of upsetting some people of a generation that you resent and have decided to blame for all your troubles and frustrations. But I don't think you are sufficiently credible to cause such an upset.

I repeat for the third time, how many of these apply to you :- support for nuclear disarmament; belief in a liberal immigration policy; support for EU membership; belief in anti-elitist policies towards secondary and higher education; support for the encouragement and subsidisation of procreation; voting Labour ? Are you partly creating your own problems ?

PaulF81

GeorgeHowell wrote: »

Make your mind up, in an earlier post you said that the younger generations are not wasters and much more hard working than the Baby Boomers, who had it too easy. The truth is that all generations have their hard workers and their wasters -- but then my perspective is not distorted by rampant ageism.

Anyone who knows which end is up knows that pensions planning has to be geared to the expected period that people will spend in retirement, not to the period that they will spend working. Anything else is emotive nonsense.

And I repeat my previous question, which of these apply to you :-
support for nuclear disarmament; belief in a liberal immigration policy; support for EU membership; belief in anti-elitist policies towards secondary and higher education; support for the encouragement and subsidisation of procreation; voting Labour ?

Are you partly creating your own problems ?

Nope (although it,should come out of its own budget, not defence. You would be surprised to know the varied views on the deterrent from within the military, especially as the military now has to pay for it)

partly (strict points based system),

partly (original trade based, not the one nation idea that seems to have been almost forced upon us)

, elitist policies don't exist. It's a sad fact of life that those from decent areas do better than those from deprived ones. The state, nor policy cannot change that, only the individual can change that by working harder. I am fully against any policy that demonstrates positive discrimination or any socialist engineering, it's equivalent to reverse Darwinism. Having attended a red brick, I would say that there isn't. Particular problem anyway other than one generated in the minds of socialists. The vast majority of course members were state educated.

I am fully against child benefit for anything more than a single child, same with state support for individuals who end up in a certain lifestyle due to personal choice. We need greater focus on individual responsibility.

Vote labour? I would prefer to blow my brains out. They utterly failed this country. Why should they be ever trusted again?

If you agree that there are wasters in every generation, why should the strivers in the current generation of middle and top incomes pay more than those earlier generations did (less infrastructure/investment in services) especially for those who you acknowledge are wasters? I am categorically not ageist. I just can't stand those who don't pay their way, financially or otherwise.

GeorgeHowell

PaulF81 wrote: »

Nope (although it,should come out of its own budget, not defence. You would be surprised to know the varied views on the deterrent from within the military, especially as the military now has to pay for it)

partly (strict points based system),

partly (original trade based, not the one nation idea that seems to have been almost forced upon us)

, elitist policies don't exist. It's a sad fact of life that those from decent areas do better than those from deprived ones. The state, nor policy cannot change that, only the individual can change that by working harder. I am fully against any policy that demonstrates positive discrimination or any socialist engineering, it's equivalent to reverse Darwinism. Having attended a red brick, I would say that there isn't. Particular problem anyway other than one generated in the minds of socialists. The vast majority of course members were state educated.

I am fully against child benefit for anything more than a single child, same with state support for individuals who end up in a certain lifestyle due to personal choice. We need greater focus on individual responsibility.

Vote labour? I would prefer to blow my brains out. They utterly failed this country. Why should they be ever trusted again?

Then it's impossible to fathom why you take the preposterous, ageist, generalised stance that you do -- other perhaps than the sheer dubious pleasure of letting off steam on the internet and playing devil's advocate to see what reaction it gets.

PaulF81

exarmydreamer wrote: »

PaulF81

Please remember the allowances that you received from the tax payers pocket:

Officer uniform allowance doesn't cover the uniform.
Subsidized living accommodation (Married or Unmarried) used for 2 years, I lived in a house that was later found unfit for council tenants and prisoners.
Petrol coupons (abroad) or petrol alloowance yep. Give you that one.
Cheap fuel (abroad) and Council tax (CILOCT) reduction. Ciloct? You mean 40 quid a month when I am paying 200 a month on active duty?
Petrol refunds for leave and missed meals payments. Not entitled to gyh. I have never claimed mma.
Educational qualification refunds and Resettlement allowances. I was refused membership of my professional body (no service interest allegedly)
Moving costs and cleaning granted, but having moved 4 times in 3 years, for service reasons, why shouldn't this be covered by the state?
Over 5 and 10 hour claims on missed meals as above.
Flights back to hand over quarters (RAF only) dream on.the clue is in the letter j in jpa. I don't know where you heard that claptrap from.
Bonuses for time served you mean the op bonus? Do I have to give you a comparison of foreign forces tax bonuses or the fact we never recieved NATO pay whist serving for isaf?
Boarding School Allowances for serving personnel's children never claimed
Local overseas allowances for families and singletons never lucky enough to have done an overseas tour. Too busy on ops old chap.
LSSA bonuses for operational tours. Granted.

The list is endless, did you not benefit from these allowances, that came from the public purse. The most important one being your wages and pension contributions.

I am pleased to let everyone who reads this thread know, that not everyone who has served or is about his age, (i'm not that much older than him) is as selfish or ignorant. I truly apologise on behalf of all those who have served and are serving, who appreciate their parents the elderly and infirm for this persons insulting comments.

What? Are you insane? If your allowances/package you are on now aren't better than the ones you were on when you left, you are in the wrong civvie/private sector job.

I am guessing here, but I take it you made it out of the service with the pension you were promised when you joined. Must be nice that.

PaulF81

GeorgeHowell wrote: »

Then it's impossible to fathom why you take the preposterous, ageist, generalised stance that you do -- other perhaps than the sheer dubious pleasure of letting off steam on the internet and playing devil's advocate to see what reaction it gets.

The answer is simple, I'm not ageist. I just don't see why any sector of so called society is entitled to a greater level of protection than others, especially when you account for the level of investment in the services they made. The problem is, someone will have to pay, and it will be my generation and my children.

Should.nt the question be what could those approaching the pension do to help out with the national deficit?

exarmydreamer

PaulF81 wrote: »

The answer is simple, I'm not ageist. I just don't see why any sector of so called society is entitled to a greater level of protection than others, especially when you account for the level of investment in the services they made. The problem is, someone will have to pay, and it will be me and my children.

You seem to be the only one, complaining. No one else is, so self consumed. These are mine and your parents, human beings. One day your child will, say that 'your a waste of space and taking up to much of their oxygen', how would that make you feel. Oxygen thief, quite harsh isn't it?.

It's quite typical, mess banter. You obviously were the life and sole of the mess!. How many do you think might have been avoiding your company, due to your opinions?. Quite a lot, I should imagine, did you perhaps leave because you were not going to be promoted further in the RAF. It's common, non team player, self opinionated or just unable to show empathy.

Did you claim by the way any of the benefits I listed, courtesy of the tax payer. The very people you look down on?. I'm off to polish mine and my husbands' medals, all 11 of them, between us

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sole of the mess!

Fishy stories and statistics?:rotfl:

PaulF81

exarmydreamer wrote: »

You seem to be the only one, complaining. No one else is, so self consumed. These are mine and your parents, human beings. One day your child will, say that 'your a waste of space and taking up to much of their oxygen', how would that make you feel. Oxygen thief, quite harsh isn't it?.

It's quite typical, mess banter. You obviously were the life and sole of the mess!. How many do you think might have been avoiding your company, due to your opinions?. Quite a lot, I should imagine, did you perhaps leave because you were not going to be promoted further in the RAF. It's common, non team player, self opinionated or just unable to show empathy.

Did you claim by the way any of the benefits I listed, courtesy of the tax payer. The very people you look down on?. I'm off to polish mine and my husbands' medals, all 11 of them, between us

Lets not turn this into a I've got more medals than you willy waving competition shall we? (We all know 2 of those will be a queens jubilee) And no need to get so personal about the mess life either. As I said, I take it you and your hubby got the pensions you were promised when you joined up to, and paid for as part of the X factor abatement? I live with a change to my t and c's, despite taking a 25% pay cut for 6 months for the priveledge to leave. Te reasons I left were quite simple. After 3 major conflicts and 2 years away on deployment in 3 years I wanted to prioritise my family above my service, for the first time in 9 years.

I went through the benefits and claimed very few of them. see above. Some of your gen is duff, especially about the RAF being entitled to extra stuff, which is complete hoop, and typical of the army conjecturing. Jo also would like to point out that without those allowances, as you well know, nothing would get done. We would also be paid more as a whole as a result of less abatement due to X factor, which would actually result in a larger cost overallto the state purse.if they were able to cut allowances further, it would have happened already as part of the spending review. The fact allowances weren't further cut speaks volumes. It's be ause they are already on their backside.

Seeing as you have a excellent knowledge of allowances, I take it you were a shiny? I don't know howit has progressed on to this anyhow, (well I do, steviej mentioning my service for some unbeknown reason in a spiteful earlier post). Needless to say, we still have a huge hole in the deficit, and whether we like it or not, all of us, pensioners include, are going to have to take a little pain.

It's common, non team player, self opinionated or just unable to show empathy.

That's quite amusing actually. I have met a fair few senior officers and ncos who displayed exactly those qualities and probably were promoted as a result if them.