Retired people could work for pensions..

makeyourdaddyproud

The government have themselves to blame.

Tax receipts only crumbled due to the onerous nature of starting a business and competing with todays global economy.

30 years ago, you had a fighting chance of opening a small computer or tailor shop and making a profit and even employing the local 'yoof'. No-one knew or cared about product price markup, you imported it and sold it everyone was happy.

Today, you are only a webclick away from the best price. Typically an american run site (Amazon, eBay et al). The small shopkeeper loses out to foreign businesses (again).

It wont stop until everyone on the same minimum wage worldwide.

Fancy getting out of bed for £1.50/hr? That's Globalization for you mate.

British people have long been accustomed to imperial values (wealth, high standard living, big houses etc). That idealism will evaporate in only 3 more decades. Sorry folks, but mercantilism is the only solution.

makeyourdaddyproud

I honestly start a business today, make a £100 in the first month.

No white collar company will do business with me because i'm not a Ltd Co. So I sign up to this 'vehicle'.

Then I realise I can make no more, due to a competitor starting up (this always happened).

I stop what i'm doing now. Though sadly I have to keep my Mem & Arts and accounts of this £100 for 7 years.

That's the dynamic and flexible British business Idea for you. Do I want to go through this again? No.

If this is the case, why so many B2B insist on Ltd. Co?

lessonlearned

Clifford_Pope wrote: »

Joseph Stalin
Adolf Hitler

Whilst no-one can deny that they were vile evil men, and no-one in the right mind would care to see their like rise again, the fact is they did enjoy a degree of "success".

Surely you are not naive enough to think that success only belongs to the "good".

PaulF81

People are also confusing school drop outs with individuals who had fantastically good money making ideas whilst at college and left to persue their dreams.

Its not as if Mark Zuckerberg, Bill Gates and steve jobs were reformed drug addicts. Winston Churchill notably served in the Armed forces. As I said before, very few if any proper drop outs turn their life around at a later stage.

gorgeyetsun

PaulF81 wrote: »

People are also confusing school drop outs with individuals who had fantastically good money making ideas whilst at college and left to persue their dreams.

Its not as if Mark Zuckerberg, Bill Gates and steve jobs were reformed drug addicts. Winston Churchill notably served in the Armed forces. As I said before, very few if any proper drop outs turn their life around at a later stage.

Depends on how you define 'turning your life around'. If it means making billions then no, you won't find many - but then you won't find too many Billionaires anyway, regardless of their start in life.

If you define 'turning your life around' as getting off drugs or alcohol addictions or leaving prison and going straight, getting off the streets and getting a job then I'd imagine there are very many people doing this.

gorgeyetsun

Agent-47 wrote: »

So should the drop outs lifetime benefiters get the same pension money as hard working lifers?

No, but is life fair no again.

No. They will get a basic state pension that will keep them off the breadline but nothing else while hard working lifers will get the state pension and the benefit of any work related or personal pensions (plus other savings) they have accrued.

I know which camp I'd prefer to be in.

Vibrant

An interesting thread, although I will admit to skipping some pages.

What is fascinating, is many posters vigorously extolling the virtue of the well educated go getter. No one seems to realise that these highly educated geniuses, are the ones who created the current society.

Yet non professional simpletons such as myself, would be required to work for their pension, while the policy setters get gold plated pensions. Perhaps they should lose their pensions and be made to sweep leaves, etc.

Although if I had to work for my pension, I wouldn't bother to stop working at my normal job, why work for less money.
Incidentally, getting OAPs to look after other OAPs, or children, is not a great idea, some of us have less empathy than PaulF81 and would not make good carers.

moneyistooshorttomention

Came back because I was wondering whether the ThinkTank that came up with their Too Posh to Wash idea of forcing relatives (and even friends) of those in hospital to be unpaid auxiliary nurses to them (ie doing the caring work that should be done by nurses - such as feeding them, helping them to the loo:eek:, etc) was being discussed here.

I think the ways this Government will think up of trying to force pensioners to do unpaid work will be many and various and we will have to remain vigilant to ensure we arent used as an unpaid workforce.

I, for one, didnt give up having to do paid work in order to get forced into doing unpaid work.

Thrugelmir

Vibrant wrote: »

Yet non professional simpletons such as myself, would be required to work for their pension, while the policy setters get gold plated pensions. Perhaps they should lose their pensions and be made to sweep leaves, etc.

Many go getters don't stop working. It's in their nature. Most likely why they are successful in the first place.