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First in Last Out......under construction.... COVID is a [discontinued] scam0
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GeorgeHowell wrote: »The lefties feared her greatly because she has been the only rightie since Churchill who could lead, who had backbone and determination, and who won over the population for a while. Many of us know that the real world is conservative. Lefties thrive on weak and inadequate conservatives screwing it all up as we have seen so often.
Backbone and determination are good qualities to lead a united nation but the real world is a more even range of political views that are best lead through consensus.
Thatcher polarised the nation with policies that were intended to benefit one part of society and show no compassion for the rest. It was British democracy in action, but I cannot accept she was a great leader. Many of the problems we have today can be traced back to her policies, a selfish and divided nation, with a culture of fear and a lack of compassion.Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.0 -
Backbone and determination are good qualities to lead a united nation but the real world is a more even range of political views that are best lead through consensus.
Thatcher polarised the nation with policies that were intended to benefit one part of society and show no compassion for the rest. It was British democracy in action, but I cannot accept she was a great leader. Many of the problems we have today can be traced back to her policies, a selfish and divided nation, with a culture of fear and a lack of compassion.
Consensus is great if it can be achieved. But too often the quest for it leads to prevarication, fudging, and failure to deal with key issues. Ultimately firm leadership knows when to stop trying to consense and when to make and implement some tough decisions. MT didn't always get it right by any means, but she did show integrity and authority and that's why she won three elections despite some unpopular policies. In the context of a country in terminal decline and dominated by thick, irresponsible, politically motivated trade union barons, much of what she did was not as uncalled for as history -- or more accurately the re-writing of history by the left -- might have us believe.No-one would remember the Good Samaritan if he'd only had good intentions. He had money as well.
The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.
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GeorgeHowell wrote: »In the context of a country in terminal decline
Not much different to today
and dominated by
[STRIKE] thick[/STRIKE] arrogant, posh, irresponsible, politically motivated [STRIKE]trade union barons[/STRIKE] elite cabinet,
Somethings never change;)."If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
I'm not sure MT would be viewed in the same light today as we have people who challenge political views 24/7.
With the internet we have the statistics at our fingertips which is something you didn't have 30 years ago...
Folk ain't afraid to speak out now and looking back on that era we were in a kind of transition from the war years.0 -
grizzly1911 wrote: »Somethings never change;).
It would no doubt be a less "elite" cabinet if Labour's extremely damaging comprehensive education policy had not seen the light of day. Heath, Wilson, Thatcher, and Major were all grammar school pupils and no doubt so were many of their cabinets. Now the conduit for those from humble backgrounds to the top has been severely curtailed and Fettes-ites, Etonians etc have such an advantage again that they dominate. Social mobility in reverse.No-one would remember the Good Samaritan if he'd only had good intentions. He had money as well.
The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.
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I'm not sure MT would be viewed in the same light today as we have people who challenge political views 24/7.
With the internet we have the statistics at our fingertips which is something you didn't have 30 years ago...
Folk ain't afraid to speak out now and looking back on that era we were in a kind of transition from the war years.
She would not be viewed in the same light today because apart from that reason the political spectrum has shifted. Things that most people would not have accepted in her era are now taken as the norm such as :- political correctness/ 'human rights', positive discrimination, a lifetime on welfare as an acceptable lifestyle choice, education prioritising social engineering over learning, shared sovereignty with the EU, the family unit based around marriage no longer de rigeur, Christianity marginalised.No-one would remember the Good Samaritan if he'd only had good intentions. He had money as well.
The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.
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GeorgeHowell wrote: »It would no doubt be a less "elite" cabinet if Labour's extremely damaging comprehensive education policy had not seen the light of day. Heath, Wilson, Thatcher, and Major were all grammar school pupils and no doubt so were many of their cabinets. Now the conduit for those from humble backgrounds to the top has been severely curtailed and Fettes-ites, Etonians etc have such an advantage again that they dominate. Social mobility in reverse.
Agree absolutely. The Comprehensive system encourages mediocrity.(AKA HRH_MUngo)
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Imagine someone holding forth on biology whose only knowledge of the subject is the Book of British Birds, and you have a rough idea of what it feels like to read Richard Dawkins on theology: Terry Eagleton0 -
GeorgeHowell wrote: »It would no doubt be a less "elite" cabinet if Labour's extremely damaging comprehensive education policy had not seen the light of day. Heath, Wilson, Thatcher, and Major were all grammar school pupils and no doubt so were many of their cabinets. Now the conduit for those from humble backgrounds to the top has been severely curtailed and Fettes-ites, Etonians etc have such an advantage again that they dominate. Social mobility in reverse.
Surely with so many people going to university, if individuals are gifted, they have even more chance to show their potential. It isn't just comprehensives that has "damaged" things.
Perhaps it is a "safe" bet for the mollycoddled rather than doing a more useful career in the real world."If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
GeorgeHowell wrote: »She would not be viewed in the same light today because apart from that reason the political spectrum has shifted. Things that most people would not have accepted in her era are now taken as the norm such as .....a lifetime on welfare as an acceptable lifestyle choice,.
A lifetime on welfare for many in wrecked communities with no alternatives wouldn't have been needed pre the 70s whether it be MT or another leader of any leaning.."If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0
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