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grizzly1911 wrote: »
Can't dispute that coal mining was dangerous and unhealthy, it didn't have to be but that would simply have increased production costs. The reason that private pits had limited success. Economic and falling demand.
True, if you are only building gas fired power stations (first 'dash for gas') demand for coal will fall.'Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers visible or invisible giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the worlds wealthiest and most prosperous people' Margaret Thatcher0 -
it's an interesting point
should we now stop all oil and ags production in UK waters to save the resources for future generations?
Difficult to do especially as we are becoming increasingly dependent on expensive foreign gas (2nd Dash for Gas).
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2012/11/enough-enough-dash-gas-has-gone-too-farThis anti-wind rhetoric obscures another government agenda: a new dash for gas that will keep Britain hooked on expensive foreign imports and do nothing to tackle high fuel bills. This week, Friends of the Earth revealed that the coalition is preparing to write a blank cheque for the gas industry to build new gas plants. Outrageously, it’s exempting back-up gas power stations from the Levy Control Framework, a set of Treasury rules which restrict public spending on energy. The result is likely to be a huge rash of investment in gas, funded by taxpayers, which could see more gas power stations being built than are needed.'Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers visible or invisible giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the worlds wealthiest and most prosperous people' Margaret Thatcher0 -
Difficult to do especially as we are becoming increasingly dependent on expensive foreign gas (2nd Dash for Gas).
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2012/11/enough-enough-dash-gas-has-gone-too-far
It was likewise difficult in the 80s/90s to keep the gas in the ground as we needed the money ... I suspect it will always be thus.0 -
grizzly1911 wrote: »Coal mines were closed because it was cheaper to import .
The fact it saved some injury claims was a byproduct of closure not the reason for it. I very much doubt we are too bothered by the health issues of miners from where coal is now imported.
Can't dispute that coal mining was dangerous and unhealthy, it didn't have to be but that would simply have increased production costs. The reason that private pits had limited success. Economic and falling demand.
The wiping out and decimation of whole communities with nothing to replace the lost mines cost us dearly and continues to do so in welfare and social costs.
The thing is, didn't we just become too uncompetitive and wasn't that why so many heavy industries and manufacturing were decimated? I well remember how strikes crippled the country in the 1970s. Workers demanded salaries that were way in excess of what would be paid to their equivalents in other parts of the world, who were – and still are – prepared to work in conditions that British workers encountered during the Industrial Revolution. Surely Britain just became too uncompetitive in a globalized world, and that's why so many people are unemployed?
Technology also had a lot to do with the demise of work availability, for example in agricultural industries. It gradually killed off whole communities in the countryside. I go to Herefordshire quite a lot – there, you can actually see the evidence of this in abandoned school buildings, post offices, churches, shops and other enterprises that supported what were once thriving communities. Now many such buildings have been converted into second homes and the like. The countryside looks beautiful, but each farm employs just a couple of workers (if any), where once there were many – even engaged in things like trimming hedgerows, which was a demanding job before those great mechanical shearers were invented.
Labour just tried to kick the can down the road by making as many school leavers as possible go to 'uni', no matter that many degrees were incompatible with the world of work. Labour also made home ownership into an 'industry' (which it should never be – homes are for living in). This was another way of kicking the can down the road, and in the long term will be unsustainable.
Perhaps the effects of the loss of Empire also had something to do with Britain's demise.
We have become accustomed to a life of luxury compared with what we had a few decades ago, and with what the majority of the world has. I don't think this situation will continue, particularly given that it is based considerably on debt. :cool:0 -
The thing is, didn't we just become too uncompetitive and wasn't that why so many heavy industries and manufacturing were decimated? I well remember how strikes crippled the country in the 1970s. Workers demanded salaries that were way in excess of what would be paid to their equivalents in other parts of the world, who were – and still are – prepared to work in conditions that British workers encountered during the Industrial Revolution. Surely Britain just became too uncompetitive in a globalized world, and that's why so many people are unemployed?
Labour just tried to kick the can down the road by making as many school leavers as possible go to 'uni', no matter that many degrees were incompatible with the world of work. Labour also made home ownership into an 'industry' (which it should never be – homes are for living in). This was another way of kicking the can down the road, and in the long term will be unsustainable.
Perhaps the effects of the loss of Empire also had something to do with Britain's demise.
We have become accustomed to a life of luxury compared with what we had a few decades ago, and with what the majority of the world has. I don't think this situation will continue, particularly given that it is based considerably on debt. :cool:
You are right in saying we have been on the slide since the 70's. Successive governments have not tackled the problem they have merely sold off the countries assets and saddled us all with debt to keep the plates spinning. The plates fell off with the CFC and they are making a hash of trying to get them spinning.
Personally I don't thing it would a bad thing if we have to lose or make a choice on some of our luxuries that aren't necessary for a comfortable standard of living. Many lived without them quite happily for decades. Consumer electrical items, multiple TVs, phones, computers, game consoles and games, pads, tablets, SKY/Media packages, Premier Football, overseas holidays, take away food, Brand Coffee shops for example.
I do find it saddening when basics of living are becoming outside the grasp of ever more."If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
It was likewise difficult in the 80s/90s to keep the gas in the ground as we needed the money ... I suspect it will always be thus.
Maybe the NIMBYs can succeed with Shale gas
'Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers visible or invisible giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the worlds wealthiest and most prosperous people' Margaret Thatcher0 -
ruggedtoast wrote: »I am pretty sure youngsters havent been selling crass corporatism to themselves.
The modern consumer driven society evolved and matured during the boomer years.
Its is itself a product of boomerism and boomers have been the overall big winners.
Where on earth do you get that drivel from ? That post is just 100% shoot-from-the-hip, baseless, immature, ageist propaganda. You are entitled to post whatever garbage you like on a forum such as this -- as long as not criminal or defamatory -- but there is no way you could even attempt to substantiate one iota of that claptrap.
It's probably achieved its objective though in term of getting a reaction from someone like me !No-one would remember the Good Samaritan if he'd only had good intentions. He had money as well.
The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.
Margaret Thatcher0 -
How much longer is this thread going to continue?
Some people must have a lot of spare time on their hands (and I am not talking about 'boomers' here). :j
I think we have to stay with it in order to dispel one of the many anti-Boomer myths -- that we don't have the stamina of the young turks.No-one would remember the Good Samaritan if he'd only had good intentions. He had money as well.
The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.
Margaret Thatcher0 -
Yep..Maggie saved this country a fortune in coal worker compensation, yet is repaid by some commies printing shirts celebrating her demise.
The lefties feared her greatly because she has been the only rightie since Churchill who could lead, who had backbone and determination, and who won over the population for a while. Many of us know that the real world is conservative. Lefties thrive on weak and inadequate conservatives screwing it all up as we have seen so often.No-one would remember the Good Samaritan if he'd only had good intentions. He had money as well.
The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.
Margaret Thatcher0 -
'Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers visible or invisible giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the worlds wealthiest and most prosperous people' Margaret Thatcher0
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