TV Licence - misleading and confusing

Dollardog

paulwellerfan wrote: »

ok i guess i am being a bit blond here.
i have two tv in the house.
one for me and one for my daughter.
Neither of us watch live telly,
as we are both working full time so we both record stuff on the Tivo boxes and watch them when we get home late at night.
cant stand the adverts
does that mean we are watching live telly or not.

If you are watching recordings after they have been shown, that is not watching live tv.
Live tv is watching it as it is going out on the network.

sniggings

Dollardog wrote: »

If you are watching recordings after they have been shown, that is not watching live tv.
Live tv is watching it as it is going out on the network.

I do think recording from a live feed is classed the same as watching at the time of the live feed.

Dollardog

sniggings wrote: »

I do think recording from a live feed is classed the same as watching at the time of the live feed.

I stand corrected - quote from BBC site:-
Do I need a TV licence?

You need a TV licence to use any television receiving equipment – such as a TV set, set-top box, video or DVD recorder, computer or mobile phone – to watch or record TV programmes as they are being shown on TV.

sniggings

Dollardog wrote: »

I told the lady from the tv license place that in theory, I could watch live tv on my laptop, but I never did - and still don't. She said that as long as I didn't watch it, I didn't need the license.
If anyone came round and looked through the window and saw you watching live tv then obviously they would have the proof they needed but if you don't watch it and tell them you don't, they would have to prove you did to prosecute.
Its not against the law to have the equipment to watch it, just against the law to use it for live tv without a license.

there's why I'm confused as that is how I understand it but watching a visit by an "inspector" on youtube by someone that allow an inspector in, the inspector was attemtping to get a picture on this guy's TV and laptop so it seems the inspector thought being able to just receive a live feed was enough for this guy to be classed as needing a licence?

Dollardog

sniggings wrote: »

there's why I'm confused as that is how I understand it but watching a visit by an "inspector" on youtube by someone that allow an inspector in, the inspector was attemtping to get a picture on this guy's TV and laptop so it seems the inspector thought being able to just receive a live feed was enough for this guy to be classed as needing a licence?

I am just going by what the lady at the licensing office told me.
There is another thread on here though that says NEVER let the 'inspectors' in, they have absolutely no right to enter your premises unless you invite them in, they will try and trick you into believing you have broken the law.

See this link which explains the tv licensing act -
http://www.bbctvlicence.com/Questions%20and%20answers.htm

It has letters from the TV licensing authority to someone who campaigns against the license, they categorically state that a license is not required for owning the equipment, just for the use of it to watch live tv.
It also says that you are under no obligation to even answer the letters sent.

Dollardog

Kurtis_Blue wrote: »

No not just for use of it, you also need a licence for the installation OR use, so the freesat box mentioned above will require a licence until the dish feeds are disconnected or it is un-installed by another means.

No sorry, you are wrong, see the second letter down in the above link. The TV licensing authority state that the equipment has to be installed or used for watching live tv, but if you state that you are not watching live tv on it, you have not got it installed or used for watching live tv so therefore, in that case a license is not required.

Lifeforms

Simply disconnecting it, taping up the end of the aerial or taping over the aerial socket on whatever it was plugged into would count as disabling it. You don't need to rip everything out.

First off, they're not inspectors they really are just salepersons who work on bonuses to sell licences door to door. As many youtube and personal experiences show, they can be quite nasty to "get paid" and will spout all manner of rubbish to scare people into paying.
You should not let them in, despite what they spout. They have no right of access to enter. You can even remove right of access to approach your property (as others have said they've done) The only difference is if they have a physical search warrant.
You will get letters, lots of them, bin them, recycle them, use them to wipe up doggy dodo, it makes no difference, just don't respond to them.
Whatever you do, if they fill in forms, DO NOT SIGN THEM

~Live being described as shown as transmitted. ie if it's 7:30 and coro street is on itv, and listed in the tv guide. Watching it at 7:30 is live tv. Watching it at 8pm if it's available to stream on itv player is not live. Live means whatever channel so an hour later on itv1+1 (or whatever it is) is still live and still counts as live. Recording on any device at the same time as it's being show as transmitted is also classed as live.

If you watch live tv on anything. On the microwave, on the PS3, laptop, on the fridge, in the toilet, on the tablet, in a tin foil hat sat in front of the tv, etc, You need by law to buy a licence
If you record live tv on anything, or on any of the fore mentioned goods You need by law to buy a licence
If you watch catch up tv via any method, bbc iplayer, torrent downloading, itv catchup, demand 5 You do not need to buy a licence.
If you watch DVD's, Bloorays, VHS You do not need to buy a licence.

Don't get conned by the Tv Tax, or what they tell you as most is rubbish unless you very rarely get a nice person on the phone.

Dollardog

I told the person from the licensing place that I had the equipment, so technically could watch live tv and she said that that didn't matter as long as I didn't watch it live.

Dollardog

Lifeforms - ha ha, I got one of the rare 'nice' people. I had been quite prepared to pay my license even though I never watch tv live. They told me they were not happy taking my money for something I didn't need!!

sniggings

Kurtis_Blue wrote: »

No I'm not, this is a clear and concise issue and you can simply read the communications act:

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/21/section/363

clearly you haven't read or understood Dollardog's link as it references your link, and explains that IF you are not intending using the installed so called TV receiving equipment for watching or recording live TV feeds, then it is not classed as such, as the use you put the equipment to defines what it is., if not used for watching live feeds it's not TV receiving equipment.