MSE News: George Osborne to make £10bn welfare cuts

Mara69

clemmatis wrote: »

What's yours?

School, college and now I'm studying at the OU while holding down a well paid, full time job.

clemmatis

Mara69 wrote: »

School, college and now I'm studying at the OU while holding down a well paid, full time job.

Most people do go to school. And these days, most people go to college (whatever you mean by that) or university. It's a pity that you think your having gone to college gives you the right to snipe at people you think have a poorer education than yours. It's also a pity it left you thinking this

the reason most politicians have a better standard of life is because they worked hard at school, studied at University and gained excellent degrees

You didn't like this comment by MUMZ2BEE

David Cameron doesnt know what real day every life is all about; he needs to try and live on benefits for a week and see hope he copes!!

You may not like this comment by Michael Portillo (about, from?, When Michael Portillo Became a Single Mum)/


"For someone like me, who's never had to think about these things, it's just boring having to think all the time about how you buy the cheapest things and whether the money's going to last. That's a completely new experience and I can't say in any way that it's an agreeable one. It isn't. It's horrible."

or this

he said that he no longer thought in the abstract when talking about benefits, but of real people

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2003/oct/16/broadcasting.tvandradio

more here

http://www.offthetelly.co.uk/?p=4585

princessdon

Sorry Missmoneypenny should have explained

Troubled families is not a term used as a generic description - It is a support programme that has been in place since April.

If you google Troubled Family Agenda - you will see who this is aimed at.

Workless, disabled/incapacitated/no qualifications/mental health etc are all used to calculate if they are to be trargetted.

This is DC new scheme (or not so new and it's same old same old) but it has a higher publicity.

krisskross

clemmatis wrote: »

Most people do go to school. And these days, most people go to college (whatever you mean by that) or university. It's a pity that you think your having gone to college gives you the right to snipe at people you think have a poorer education than yours. It's also a pity it left you thinking this



You didn't like this comment by MUMZ2BEE



You may not like this comment by Michael Portillo (about, from?, When Michael Portillo Became a Single Mum)/


"For someone like me, who's never had to think about these things, it's just boring having to think all the time about how you buy the cheapest things and whether the money's going to last. That's a completely new experience and I can't say in any way that it's an agreeable one. It isn't. It's horrible."

or this

he said that he no longer thought in the abstract when talking about benefits, but of real people

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2003/oct/16/broadcasting.tvandradio

more here

http://www.offthetelly.co.uk/?p=4585

Do you honestly think that a working family on average wages do not have to budget carefully or watch every penny?

There is a lone mother posting very regularly on these forums in receipt of over £800 a month just in child related benefits. That seems to be a huge amount of money to me. Plus of course the free housing, school dinners etc. I could live an extremely comfortable life on that amount of money.

I would hazard a guess that a very rich man like Michael Portillo would find it difficult to manage on even £1000 a week. His lifestyle is very different. You have to compare like with like.

clemmatis

krisskross wrote: »

Do you honestly think that a working family on average wages do not have to budget carefully or watch every penny?
.....
I would hazard a guess that a very rich man like Michael Portillo would find it difficult to manage on even £1000 a week. His lifestyle is very different. You have to compare like with like.

I don't disagree. My point was a highly specific one, in defence of one point of MUMZ2BEE's. She said (bold added)

MUMZ2BEE wrote:

David Cameron doesnt know what real day every life is all about; he needs to try and live on benefits for a week and see hope he copes!!

so I pointed to Michael Portillo's experience

clemmatis wrote: »

this comment by Michael Portillo (about, from?, When Michael Portillo Became a Single Mum)


"For someone like me, who's never had to think about these things, it's just boring having to think all the time about how you buy the cheapest things and whether the money's going to last. That's a completely new experience and I can't say in any way that it's an agreeable one. It isn't. It's horrible."

or this

he said that he no longer thought in the abstract when talking about benefits, but of real people

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2003/oct/16/broadcasting.tvandradio

more here

http://www.offthetelly.co.uk/?p=4585

FBaby

Mumzbee, you are clearly very worried about your upcoming medical. You'd hoped you would need to go, now you do and you are making it you think you shouldn't (or even anyone at all).

Clearly you consider that you NEED to be in receipt of benefits because you cannot work and won't be able to in the near future, yet you seem to have already concluded that you will not meet the medical. How can you be so sure you will fail if you are so sure that you really can't work?

There was a very inspirational thread a few weeks back on the benefit and dosh forum who expressed her worry about the medical, stating that she could work due to her depression and no one would employ any longer. Ultimately she did fail and had to go on JSA, but instead of sulking, so decided to give it a go and hold and behold, she did get a job and she came back to update that so far, she was ok.

Depression, unless it is diagnosed as severe, can be very subjective and it can take little changes to one's life to see a massive improvement (and vice versa). I suffered from quite bad depression in my 20s (I was almost admitted in hospital), and felt the expected feeling of inadequacy and low self-esteem, the overwhelming feeling that everything was too much and couldn't cope with 'normal' life. Still, before I got bad, I'd signed up to go to Uni, and despite feeling that it was a completely impossible task, the prospect making feel really anxious, I took the best decision I could have, I decided to give it a try. The first day was tough, but I made it to the end. The second day was hard, but a bit better, by the end of the week, the overall feeling of achievement made me feel much better in myself. By the time I'd gone a couple of weeks, I was starting to enjoy it, and after a month of so, the depression was almost gone.

If you believe that it is inevitable that you will be made fit to work, how about trying to accept it and giving it a try?

Morlock

MissMoneypenny wrote: »

"The Work and Pensions secretary wants to stop parents who are alcoholics or who are on drugs from using welfare payments to fuel their addictions."

"A source close to Mr Duncan Smith said: “There are people who are using benefits to fund a habit and children are going hungry."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/9605858/120000-troubled-families-could-be-legally-banned-from-spending-benefits-on-alochol-and-tobacco.html#

This is the same Work and Pensions Secretary who thinks benefit claimants that have been sanctioned spend any hardship payments they receive on holidays. He is totally out of touch with reality.

Morlock

Mara69 wrote: »

School, college and now I'm studying at the OU while holding down a well paid, full time job.

So why didn't you get a first from Oxford? You obviously don't work hard enough.

krisskross

Morlock wrote: »

So why didn't you get a first from Oxford? You obviously don't work hard enough.

But she is self supporting and you, like the rest of us, have no idea what her life has been like until now. Why she didn't go to University in her earlier life etc and thus feels the need to do it now and is presumably paying for it.

It proves to me that she has the will to keep bettering her opportunities in life.

Mara69

clemmatis wrote: »

Most people do go to school

*Shrugs* You asked, I gave all the information.

clemmatis wrote: »

And these days, most people go to college (whatever you mean by that)

What on earth do you mean? For the purposes of clarification, I mean I attended college for two years and achieved two qualifications.

clemmatis wrote: »

It's a pity that you think your having gone to college gives you the right to snipe at people you think have a poorer education than yours

I actually think my education is still woefully lacking - hence paying for an OU degree. The point I was making is that politicians generally have a much, much better education than the average joe. That makes them far better placed to do the job of running the county. The post written by Mumz was ignorant rhetoric, often spouted by people of lower education and intelligence - yet, somehow they think they know better than the highly educated and intelligent people actually running the country.

Personally, I would rather that the people running the country are educated and well paid - the thought of having some of the people on here, for example, running the country fills me with horror. They'd bankrupt us in a month.

Morlock wrote: »

So why didn't you get a first from Oxford? You obviously don't work hard enough.

No, I don't think I did work hard enough - and to be honest, I don't think I have the necessary intelligence. That said, I have worked hard to improve my education and have managed to secure myself a well paid, responsible job. I wouldn't presume, though, to tell someone like David Cameron how to run the country and nor would I write such bilious, ill informed tripe as written by Mumz.