MSE News: George Osborne to make £10bn welfare cuts

paddedjohn

Cerisa wrote: »

Just to put some of this in perspective as well:

• Only 0.5% of disability claims are found to be fraud.
• Total spend for 2011-2012 was £167.0 billion on benefits, employment programmes and their related administration costs in 2011-12.
• The DWP hae underpaid benefits to the tune of £1.3 billion
• The DWP conflate Fraud and Error in the same report.
• Overpayments account for just 2% of the total benefits bill.
• Fraud constitutes just 0.7% of overpayments

(sources: Department for Work and Pensions: 2011-12 Accounts
Report by the Comptroller and Auditor General,

The overpayments of "just 2%" amounts to £3.34 billion and the fraud figure of 0.7% equates to £2.34 billion but that figure only represents the detected fraud, we all know the real figure is much more than that.

Cerisa

But that the fact that it is just 2% - and fraud is just 0.7% - points to the fact that it's not what we should focus on.

Benefits are not ruining our economy.

Why are housing and council tax benefits being paid to people who have jobs?

Because rents are enormous and councils are paying themselves more money whilst simaltaneously raising council taxes.

Northampton County Council just awarded themselves a 22% pay rise. Did you get a 22% pay rise this year? I certainly didn't. My council tax went up though.

kidsareus75

I just have to add that i totally agree that payments to large familys should be capped...even though i am a single parrent of 5 children,i dont smoke,dont drink,never been on hoilday and dont drive....3 of my children have special needs, and boy is it hard, i attend all my work focoused interviews because i dont like being on benifits and want to come off them, i do know of some family who do have 10 children and both parents dont work, but once again this policy is all wrong, its going to affect those seriously in need, while whose who are good at defrading the system will continue to do so, everybodys circumstances are diffrent, but who is going to judge who needs help and who does not.....i want to add that i could aslo be claiming sickness benifit and dla as im diabetic but i dont as i feel i get to much help already, yes my life is a struggle, but whos isnt....i teach my kids to work hard at school because i dont want them to be in same situation that i am......a1lso i am in a 3 bed flat and because thats all i can afford to run,and my daughter is 18 and i would not have her move out at this age....

PaulF81

Morlock wrote: »

Absolute rubbish. One of the founding principles of capitalism is debt.
The deficit is a by-product of capitalism, it is unavoidable.

You miss a key point. One of the founding points of capitalism is debt is used for investment, not flushed down the toilet on wasters who want to take drugs, feel sorry for themselves and not do a days work.

Eellogofusciouhipoppokunu

kidsareus75 wrote: »

I just have to add that i totally agree that payments to large familys should be capped...even though i am a single parrent of 5 children,i dont smoke,dont drink,never been on hoilday and dont drive....3 of my children have special needs, and boy is it hard, i attend all my work focoused interviews because i dont like being on benifits and want to come off them, i do know of some family who do have 10 children and both parents dont work, but once again this policy is all wrong, its going to affect those seriously in need, while whose who are good at defrading the system will continue to do so, everybodys circumstances are diffrent, but who is going to judge who needs help and who does not.....i want to add that i could aslo be claiming sickness benifit and dla as im diabetic but i dont as i feel i get to much help already, yes my life is a struggle, but whos isnt....i teach my kids to work hard at school because i dont want them to be in same situation that i am......a1lso i am in a 3 bed flat and because thats all i can afford to run,and my daughter is 18 and i would not have her move out at this age....

Just out of interest, were you quite well off when you had 3 kids? I have to say that from your post it sounds 'not'. If so, then why on earth did you have kids number 4 and 5 when you probably struggled to afford kids 1, 2 & 3?

PaulF81

allule wrote: »

The government is being very successful in redirecting public anger from overpaid bankers and large-scale tax avoiders to the far smaller numbers of benefit fraudsters, and genuine claimants.

I have overheard several conversations where people are now complaining about their neighbours rather than the real crooks.

Divide and rule!

Well done, George.

The overpaid bankers together with the other 5% of the highest paid in the uk pay over 25% of all income tax generated. The state needs well paid individuals or the current system fails absolutely. Raise taxation and taxed income actually drops. It's known as the Laffer curve.

The problem always was Labour completely and utterly screwed up. They did just as much to divide and rule as you accuse the conservatives are now doing, the difference is you are on the side that Is currently taking the pain. I didn't see the lower classes whining when Brown destroyed pensions of those who are successful in life in order to give the cash away to people who are quite frankly are failures and haven't bothered doing anything decent with their time on the planet and instead expect a free ride to pay for their rubbish work ethic.

PaulF81

Borage wrote: »

There are no jobs out there

Emigrate then.

PaulF81

Morglin wrote: »

These 'promised cuts' aren't coming in before the next election, so really, as no one knows who will be in power then, they are said by Osborne/IDS generally to just appease the Tory right.

Clegg has also said that the LD's will not agree to it, in it's current plan, as they insist on 'the rich' being hammered first.

We shall see.

Lin

Wrong. Osborne has confirmed these cuts will be in place well before 2015.

Dunroamin

paddedjohn wrote: »

Do you have a link to this? afaik the disabled and the elderly are to be protected.

£71 is the JSA rate, not the ESA rate.

exarmydreamer

How does everyone feel about paying out of taxes, every MP's subsidizes lunches. Not a rotten sandwich either, we also pay the 'John Lewis', list for furnishing apartments and their rents through taxes as well. I worked in MOD for a few years, the benefits received from the tax payer is huge.
The wine cellar below the houses of commons is worth millions.

On another quick note, how many people know that David Cameron claimed DLA for his disabled son, Ivor, and he is a multi-millionaire. I remember his interview, and him saying how complicated the forms were. So, I and my husband paid our taxes towards his DLA for his son but I suspect he has much more money than us.

Never trust a word any of them say, red, blue or yellow. Bunch of day light robbers.