Nice people thread part 7 - a thread in its prime

chewmylegoff

We went out looking at a few areas to potentially buy houses in today. Unfortunately OH did not like New Malden, except for the Korean restaurants. I think we have both become a bit too snobby living in Richmond...

We did both like Thames Ditton and Claygate though, so they look like definite possibilities. We also may be able to afford East Sheen if we sacrifice a bedroom, which is my preferred option. Going to see a mortgage broker next weekend to start trying to move forwards.

Nikkster

Spirit wrote: »

That was funny on your part but it did get me wondering what was a bright girl like you doing with a dimwit like him?



Yep.



Someone not very bright or...looking to revisit old times.

To the first part, I don't think I'll ever completely understand. I certainly couldn't put forward a very convincing justification! Luckily (and it is luck rather than skill) it doesn't seem to have had too much of a long-term impact, so I can just put it down as an 'experience' not to be repeated.

I'm not sure whether he was looking to revisit old times so much as just realising that he is up !!!!!! creek without a paddle money-wise (his family are about to move away so he has to find somewhere else to live). Either way, he won't be getting any cash OR any trips down memory lane.

Nikkster

chewmylegoff wrote: »

We went out looking at a few areas to potentially buy houses in today. Unfortunately OH did not like New Malden, except for the Korean restaurants. I think we have both become a bit too snobby living in Richmond...

We did both like Thames Ditton and Claygate though, so they look like definite possibilities. We also may be able to afford East Sheen if we sacrifice a bedroom, which is my preferred option. Going to see a mortgage broker next weekend to start trying to move forwards.

On the way back from the supermarket I walked past the house I've offered on. Still like it, have seen some more things that would need addressing, but think my offer would give me enough margin to sort them (so long as nothing majorally structural).

Is there any perticular reason you're going to a broker? Just wondering what the advantage of that over going direct is?

Nikkster

michaels wrote: »

move costs alone would be 40k

Wow - lots to think about!!

By move costs, I take it you mean solicitors fees, surveys etc etc not just removal costs? I almost fell off my chair!

chewmylegoff

I hate bank staff, basically. I can't stand their annoying sales tactics, I'd rather pay someone some money to avoid having to deal with them. Plus when they find out what my job is it all gets a bit awkward.

Also, we might need to borrow as much as we possibly can so would be useful to get the broker's view of how much particular lenders are likely to lend us, without having to speak to them all individually.

Itismehonest

vivatifosi wrote: »

Ah, Itismehonest, be careful about revealing more about your genealogical knowledge, I may come lean on you... I need all the help I can get! Hence my starting to ask for help with latin and stuff. So anyone who wants to pitch in please do, assume know knowledge on my part.

I've lost the link but the place I saw quoted as Cayce was also supposedly a Debretts quote! I love the books of visitations, but as you say it does show it goes on as you say at all levels. I particularly like that you can read one visitation and then the next one will say something different for the same person... It was the visitations that showed as Caue, as you probably realised. Actually I found the visitations pretty early in my search and that was one of the first times I realised it was all made up - when none of the connections were there. Wasn't it then on the Who do you think you are show with Matthew Pinsent that even Edward I tried to show a lineage to higher places - only in his case Adam and Eve and then on to God:rotfl:? Mind you, how cool would it be to be able to say "finished the family tree, got back to Adam and Eve, and thus to God, job done"?

:rotfl: Yes, the early Visitations can be a pure work of fiction but, in this case, we're talking about people who if not alive in 1619 when the Vistation was made, were very much known by those that still were - children, siblings, cousins etc. That makes them much more reliable. You can't pretend your mother was a Princess when all the neighbours & the man compiling the trees remember her

The use of Caue on the Warwick Visitations (p.290) equates to the use of Deuereux. It probably had more to do the Harleian Society misreading poor William Camden, King of Arms writing.
I have some sympathy as, having been taught to write with an italic nib dipped in an inkpot, my 'n', 'u' & 'v' can be confusing

The trees for Hastings & Cave both appear in the Leicester Visitations (pp.72 & 125).

vivatifosi wrote: »

In terms of the family we're talking about, I had dinner with a friend of mine in the States in January who said his mum was stuck on her family tree and said I'd help, it has started from there really. The family involved settled in America very early, literally a couple of years after the Mayflower. They were traders though rather than religious settlers. I don't want to say any more publicly about the family as they settled and started a plantation - with all of the ramifications that you can imagine. Having said that, I don't think we should reasonably expect people 10 or 15 generations later to atone for the sins of their forebears, beyond admitting that what they did was wrong.

More or less everything I've found since then (as you'll imagine there are thousands of descendants) has been made up. They were Quakers (impossible, the religion didn't even start until about 30 years after they left). Then on both sides of the family there are spurious claims. Both members of the couple had a name that could also be a place. So at some point in Victorian times someone has looked up the name of the local castle or manor and attributed the place name to the gentry name so that all of a sudden they are knights and barons and stuff. Again, probably all made up.

It is a real shame because they are genuinely fascinating people. What I have found (the real stuff) shows that they were either gentlemen or merchants. They were early members of trade guilds etc. They were also pretty wealthy in their own rights. One will I have a copy of courtesy of the National Archives left a couple of thousand pounds to various people, as well as properties - a substantial net worth in around 1600. However it is impossible beyond the very basics in Ancestry etc, as once you get into any forum it's all made up and recited parrot fashion, even the spelling mistakes of English place names which are often hilarious.

The need to link to aristocracy or royalty always tickles me. Particularly when it's by people who are strongly republican (note small R).
The problem quite often arises because they have no appreciation of how many people with the same name lived in a small area at any one time so their Joe Bloggs simply must be the Joe Bloggs in a record.

I agree, blaming living people for something their family did particularly hundreds of years ago is ridiculous. It was a different world. Maybe in a few hundred years time it will be frowned on to keep animals as pets -as circus animals are already frowned on. Today it's the norm. Will all pet owners be looked back on as monsters?

vivatifosi wrote: »

If anyone is able to help, I'm particularly interested in: The History of the London Company in Virginia (particularly any records they may have had about early planters - one of the family may have been there the same time as John Smith as well as Thomas Gates - hence the National Treasure reference. The historical records for Freemen of cities is another thing I've found useful, but I'm now looking for further info beyond a list of names. Plus any where you can find out more about early trade associations and guilds. I also want to find out more about records that may exist about the import of tobacco from the Americas in the 1600s.. Oh, and finally any port and passenger records for the early ships to the Americas. That's my shopping list for today anyway!

Not sure if any of these will help or not:
http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/collections/jefferson_papers/mtjser8.html
Also (probably teaching grandma to suck eggs here, sorry) have you tried searching A2A?

Sorry to have co-written a tome here :rotfl:
Good hunting & forza

chewmylegoff

Nikkster wrote: »

Wow - lots to think about!!

By move costs, I take it you mean solicitors fees, surveys etc etc not just removal costs? I almost fell off my chair!

I imagine stamp duty is the largest component. £30k on a £750k house... Yuck.

Nikkster

chewmylegoff wrote: »

I imagine stamp duty is the largest component. £30k on a £750k house... Yuck.

Where is the blood-draining-from-face smiley?

Oh yeah - that gives away the end of the housing ladder that I am looking at!

BertieUK

Nikkster wrote: »

Where is the blood-draining-from-face smiley?

Oh yeah - that gives away the end of the housing ladder that I am looking at!

Or me either.:eek:

At that price it is close to becoming the price of a 'Royal Wave' in my book.

michaels

Nikkster wrote: »

Where is the blood-draining-from-face smiley?

Oh yeah - that gives away the end of the housing ladder that I am looking at!

It just goes to show what a 10 year head start on the housing ladder can do. I suspect our household income is less than double yours and about half of just Chewies before you include his better half and yet if we offer just the stamp duty will be over 25k :eek: For what is currently a fairly small 3 bed detached on a plot no more than 3 feet wider than our current semi.