Nice people thread part 7 - a thread in its prime

vivatifosi

Itismehonest wrote: »

Do you mind if I ask who says it was a spelling mistake & should be Cayce?
Yes, spelling mistakes or phonetic spellings are frequent in genealogy but they're, sadly, also widely used to justify connections that just aren't correct.
The references I've found to Barbara say Cave (Debrett's etc.)
Of course, they could be wrong. Even in the Visitations families could concoct their heritage but they would normally opt for the more prestigious connection if making up their lines - nothing changes does it? :rotfl:

Ah, Itismehonest, be careful about revealing more about your genealogical knowledge, I may come lean on you... I need all the help I can get! Hence my starting to ask for help with latin and stuff. So anyone who wants to pitch in please do, assume know knowledge on my part.

I've lost the link but the place I saw quoted as Cayce was also supposedly a Debretts quote! I love the books of visitations, but as you say it does show it goes on as you say at all levels. I particularly like that you can read one visitation and then the next one will say something different for the same person... It was the visitations that showed as Caue, as you probably realised. Actually I found the visitations pretty early in my search and that was one of the first times I realised it was all made up - when none of the connections were there. Wasn't it then on the Who do you think you are show with Matthew Pinsent that even Edward I tried to show a lineage to higher places - only in his case Adam and Eve and then on to God:rotfl:? Mind you, how cool would it be to be able to say "finished the family tree, got back to Adam and Eve, and thus to God, job done"?

In terms of the family we're talking about, I had dinner with a friend of mine in the States in January who said his mum was stuck on her family tree and said I'd help, it has started from there really. The family involved settled in America very early, literally a couple of years after the Mayflower. They were traders though rather than religious settlers. I don't want to say any more publicly about the family as they settled and started a plantation - with all of the ramifications that you can imagine. Having said that, I don't think we should reasonably expect people 10 or 15 generations later to atone for the sins of their forebears, beyond admitting that what they did was wrong.

More or less everything I've found since then (as you'll imagine there are thousands of descendants) has been made up. They were Quakers (impossible, the religion didn't even start until about 30 years after they left). Then on both sides of the family there are spurious claims. Both members of the couple had a name that could also be a place. So at some point in Victorian times someone has looked up the name of the local castle or manor and attributed the place name to the gentry name so that all of a sudden they are knights and barons and stuff. Again, probably all made up.

It is a real shame because they are genuinely fascinating people. What I have found (the real stuff) shows that they were either gentlemen or merchants. They were early members of trade guilds etc. They were also pretty wealthy in their own rights. One will I have a copy of courtesy of the National Archives left a couple of thousand pounds to various people, as well as properties - a substantial net worth in around 1600. However it is impossible beyond the very basics in Ancestry etc, as once you get into any forum it's all made up and recited parrot fashion, even the spelling mistakes of English place names which are often hilarious.

If anyone is able to help, I'm particularly interested in: The History of the London Company in Virginia (particularly any records they may have had about early planters - one of the family may have been there the same time as John Smith as well as Thomas Gates - hence the National Treasure reference. The historical records for Freemen of cities is another thing I've found useful, but I'm now looking for further info beyond a list of names. Plus any where you can find out more about early trade associations and guilds. I also want to find out more about records that may exist about the import of tobacco from the Americas in the 1600s.. Oh, and finally any port and passenger records for the early ships to the Americas. That's my shopping list for today anyway!

vivatifosi

GDB2222 wrote: »

You realise that he's probably been brooding about that for a month before ringing you, working himself up into a self-righteous state of mind, and you've just deflated him.

That just makes what Nikkster's done even better.

BertieUK

GDB2222 wrote: »

Extremely clever, extremely capable, and extremely hardworking. I'm in love! (Well, impressed anyway.) :T:T:T


I'm impressed with my new GPS watch. It keeps telling me that I've walked further than I expected. It accurately tracks where we are on the ground. However, it is terrible at altitudes. It seems to invent hills that simply aren't there. Does anyone know why that might be? It's a Navrun 500.

At a guess to correctly forcast your altitude is very difficult for a GPS system, especially if it cannot link with at least four satelites to get an accurate reading.

Atmospheric pressure drops the higher the altitude attained so in my view for a GPS system to be accurate takes quite a number of readings to work.

I could be talking rubbish but it is just my own point of view.

The experts will be along soon.:)

Nikkster

lostinrates wrote: »

Nikkster....

You sure you want to keep your phone number still? Well done for dealing with it brilliantly. Just a shame you have to at all.

GDB2222 wrote: »

You realise that he's probably been brooding about that for a month before ringing you, working himself up into a self-righteous state of mind, and you've just deflated him.

Ha! Yep, still keeping the number. I'm not changing anything else in my life for him! I don't generally hear too much from him, although I did get a random text a few days ago asking how things were, that he realises how much he hurt me and that he hopes I can start to forgive him one day. I replied back that as far as I was concerned there was nothing to forgive - that I didn't want to go through anything like that ever again, but sometimes life is just like that. That I am happy and well and trying to move forwards and that I hope for nothing less than the same for him.

I surprised myself with that!

vivatifosi

BertieUK wrote: »

At a guess to correctly forcast your altitude is very difficult for a GPS system, especially if it cannot link with at least four satelites to get an accurate reading.

I was once on a plane coming into land at an airport in America. As I couldn't see out of the window (in economy, middle seat in a wide bodied plane) I watched the sky map. I screamed like a girl when we hit something at IIRC 900m. I didn't realise that we'd landed. Virtually everyone on the plane thought this was hilarious.

Nikkster

chewmylegoff wrote: »

This made me chuckle, well done!

Seriously though, who bothers ringing their ex to try to extract £50? I mean if he believed you owed him £500 (whether you did or not) at least that would be worth his effort to try it on.

Made me chuckle too! Even better that I didn't think of that before I called, it was completely spontaneous.

I'm not sure what he was hoping for, but he was never going to get £50 in the post - the best he would have got is that knocked off his tab at the Bank of Nikkster. Speaking of which I suspect it was because he is having cashflow issues this month - I didn't get my usual installment (I didn't get anything, and no explanation either).

I'll have whatever I can back from him, but I'm not going to chase it (tbh I don't really need to, his family are pressurising him to pay me back). I'm not going to play games with him, but I'm not going to get dragged back into any of his nonsense either.

michaels

Nikkster wrote: »

Ha! Yep, still keeping the number. I'm not changing anything else in my life for him! I don't generally hear too much from him, although I did get a random text a few days ago asking how things were, that he realises how much he hurt me and that he hopes I can start to forgive him one day. I replied back that as far as I was concerned there was nothing to forgive - that I didn't want to go through anything like that ever again, but sometimes life is just like that. That I am happy and well and trying to move forwards and that I hope for nothing less than the same for him.

I surprised myself with that!

On the other hand replying at all may be encouraging him in his delusion/denial. It actually sounds quite scary to me that he is still clearly thinking of you a lot. I hope he has no idea of your current address/workplace.

Spirit_2

Nikkster wrote: »

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Fast forward and today I get a text asking whether my brother would like to buy the bed. I called back and I don't think ex got the answer he was looking for. My favourite bit was when I remembered he had my IKEA chest of drawers (which was falling apart, though that was because ex had sat on them). So I suggested he make me an offer for the drawers. He said I should suggest the amount as he had suggested an amount (£50) for the bed. So I paused, then said 'how about £50?') He hung up.
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That was funny on your part but it did get me wondering what was a bright girl like you doing with a dimwit like him?

GDB2222 wrote: »

You realise that he's probably been brooding about that for a month before ringing you, working himself up into a self-righteous state of mind, and you've just deflated him.

Yep.

chewmylegoff wrote: »

This made me chuckle, well done!

Seriously though, who bothers ringing their ex to try to extract £50? I mean if he believed you owed him £500 (whether you did or not) at least that would be worth his effort to try it on.

Someone not very bright or...looking to revisit old times.

michaels

I am cooking dinner and sorting out house insurance, new gas supplier etc. DW and the kids are planting a pear tree sapling (£5 at Morrisons) but I am a bit concerned there may be a frost tonight and tomorrow night.

The house we looked at yesterday was in better condition than we expected and is a detached house on a nice road (or be it the smallest house and plot on the street) but apparently in the 3 days since it had come on they had done 20 viewings and were looking for serious expressions of interest by tomorrow before probably going to sealed bids. 2 agents came and looked at ours which is not finished, one said the last bits (5k tops) would add 50k to what we could achieve but that a quick sale (needed to give any chance on the probate house we are looking at) might be possible, the other said the condition did not matter and thought we would get more in the current state than the other thought we would get when improved...

DW wants detached on posh road, I am happy here, move costs alone would be 40k even if w achieved same price for here as new place would cost and then to get to the size we are here would cost another 110k of building so nicer road plus detached but otherwise similar would cost 150k+ (although possibly would mean we had an asset at the end worth 200-250k more). I think it is a step too far. I woud rather find something half the price that we could add 100k to by spending 50k and move in there for a year, rent this out and have ppr relief on the profit.

Nikkster

michaels wrote: »

On the other hand replying at all may be encouraging him in his delusion/denial. It actually sounds quite scary to me that he is still clearly thinking of you a lot. I hope he has no idea of your current address/workplace.

I get what you are saying, but I disagree. I made sure that I specifically mentioned moving on, and e.g. he didn't get a Christmas card.

As far as he knows I'm at my parents' still (and he hasn't turned up there), I've not mentioned where I am or where I work. I don't even know whether he knows I have a job. He doesn't have a car (or a driving licence) so that helps a lot. By the sounds of it he would struggle to pay for a train ticket too.

Although a lot of water has passed under the bridge, I realised earlier that was only 6 months ago that we picked up the bed/ other stuff - I'm pretty sure his life hasn't moved very far along in that time.