Not given connecting rooms

JQ.

dickydonkin wrote: »

Yes and Yes.

There will be hotel security and the 'trained staff' are the parents!

And as for making comparisons with the McCann's - unless the OP is intending leaving the kids in a room and going out of the building to have a good meal and to get sozzled...........but that isn't the case here.

The kids will be in a secure building- the same building as their parents with security and will be put in their secure room at night when the parents are nearby.

Now if the OP is intending to leave them in their room and go out again - that is unacceptable. The McCanns issue needs to be taken in context - yes they were irresponsible, but this type of incident (although tragic), is extremely rare.

I feel quite sad that you have those opinions and have children.

dementedhousewife

I'm still waiting for the TA to get back to me
With a solution they have said there was a breakdown
In communication as the room type sold don't connect
When we asked for connecting rooms and TA
Put on special req too.. ( they should of known
These rooms dont connect )
I won't be putting my kids alone in a room
Only irressponble people do this!

POPPYOSCAR

dickydonkin wrote: »

Yes and Yes.

There will be hotel security and the 'trained staff' are the parents!

And as for making comparisons with the McCann's - unless the OP is intending leaving the kids in a room and going out of the building to have a good meal and to get sozzled...........but that isn't the case here.

The kids will be in a secure building- the same building as their parents with security and will be put in their secure room at night when the parents are nearby.

Now if the OP is intending to leave them in their room and go out again - that is unacceptable. The McCanns issue needs to be taken in context - yes they were irresponsible, but this type of incident (although tragic), is extremely rare.

It is not just about them being secure from other people it is the children themselves.

two 5 year olds and a 3 year old - anything could happen!

They could wake up, start fighting with each other, be ill, leave the taps on, and a host of other possibilities.

If you do have children as you say, they must be very advanced for their ages and perfect little angels;)

POPPYOSCAR

poet123 wrote: »

To be honest I don't think they are trolls, some long time posters have stated they see no harm or danger in having children, even such very young children, in a separate room in a hotel. As I said, I am incredulous, but I think that is their genuine view.

Even long time posters can be trolls at times!!

poet123

POPPYOSCAR wrote: »

Even long time posters can be trolls at times!!

Of course they can, but less often than relatively newer ones are imo. On this thread though their views seem to me to be genuinely held.

pimento

A self-catering villa might have been a better idea with children so young.

FWIW, I wouldn't want children so young (assuming I had them) in a room not connected to ours. If they were adjacent, I might think a baby alarm would be acceptable. Maybe.

POPPYOSCAR

pimento wrote: »

A self-catering villa might have been a better idea with children so young.

FWIW, I wouldn't want children so young (assuming I had them) in a room not connected to ours. If they were adjacent, I might think a baby alarm would be acceptable. Maybe.

That is one idea.

But I would imagine the hotel would offer much more for the family in the way of entertainment, meals, etc. all on the doorstep.

dickydonkin

peachyprice wrote: »

You still don't get it do you.

So, they put their very young children in their 'secure' room. They go off to their own room.

The children's room cannot be locked from the inside, the children can get out, but as most hotels have self closing doors they cannot get back into their room, the child is now wandering around a corridor with a dozen identical doors, not knowing which one their mum is in. Parents are oblivious to this as they are inside their own closed room. You really think that's an acceptable thing to do to a child?

They're on holiday, eating foreign foods, in a hot climate, so the 5yo starts chucking up in the night. You really think it's acceptable to leave two 3yo's to cope with a vomitting sibling cos their parent are oblivious to what's going on?

A 3yo wets the bed, they are crying because they are soaked in urine. You think it's acceptable for a 3 and 5yo to be stripping their sibblings !!!! soaked bed, because their parents are oblivious to what is going on?

There are many many scenarios that are actually very highly likely to happen to children in the night sleeping in a stange place, most of which I have experienced over the course of the last 17 years as a parent, none where children of 3 and 5 should be left to fend for themselves.

TBH, I doubt there is a very high risk of abduction, but since others have brought the subject up, there is no difference to the scenario you are suggesting to the McCanns, they left their children in a locked apartment, out of sight and out of earshot, you're suggesting it's perfectly fine for OP to leave her children in a locked hotel room, out of sight and out of earshot. It doesn't matter that they are somewhere in the same building, they would not be able to see or hear what is going on in their children's room.

I don't believe for one second that MMcC was taken by a random person, it was most likely to be someone who knew those children were regularly left out of sight of their parents, it wouldn't take many nights for someone to realise OP's children were left everynight alone in a room out of sight of their parents. If there's a risk there, you just don't take it.

As for comparing it to a hospital? Really? Which hospital do you know that puts children in individual locked rooms where nursing staff can't hear or see them? They don't.

Very subjective comments which should be ignored.

I could counter argue the other comments but I don't have the time or inclination.

By the way, I never compared any situation that puts children in 'individual locked rooms' - if you looked at my post which you have responded out of context, it related to 'communal corridors' - which you do have in hospitals AND hotels.

This VERY protracted thread is about something that can EASILY be resolved and many have suggested reasonable remedies - not ideal in the eyes of the OP - but many contributors on this thread may now believe that the OP has been naive in asking for specific room requirements and expecting them as a matter of course and some may have now come to the conclusion that she is reluctant to compromise.

There are three adults on this trip and three children based in two suites - go figure.

The OP seems unwilling to compromise - and this is placing the enjoyment of the trip for all involved in jeopardy.

I currently have an issue with an upcoming trip to Vietnam - without going into details, the hotel I am staying at has changed hands - it is already paid for and the services and benefits I would have received through a loyalty scheme no longer exist.

The T&C's of the loyalty scheme leave me with very little options, but I have contacted those involved and an amicable solution was agreed - again, not ideal, but making the best of a bad situation - something the OP should consider.

poet123

dickydonkin wrote: »

Very subjective comments which should be ignored.

I could counter argue the other comments but I don't have the time or inclination.

By the way, I never compared any situation that puts children in 'individual locked rooms' - if you looked at my post which you have responded out of context, it related to 'communal corridors' - which you do have in hospitals AND hotels.

This VERY protracted thread is about something that can EASILY be resolved and many have suggested reasonable remedies - not ideal in the eyes of the OP - but many contributors on this thread may now believe that the OP has been naive in asking for specific room requirements and expecting them as a matter of course and some may have now come to the conclusion that she is reluctant to compromise.

There are three adults on this trip and three children based in two suites - go figure.

The OP seems unwilling to compromise - and this is placing the enjoyment of the trip for all involved in jeopardy.

I currently have an issue with an upcoming trip to Vietnam - without going into details, the hotel I am staying at has changed hands - it is already paid for and the services and benefits I would have received through a loyalty scheme no longer exist.

The T&C's of the loyalty scheme leave me with very little options, but I have contacted those involved and an amicable solution was agreed - again, not ideal, but making the best of a bad situation - something the OP should consider.

With respect, when you have paid for a luxury family holiday why should you have to make the best of a bad situation which is not of your own making? Why should you have to compromise?

The comments re the Mcann's are relevant and should not be ignored.

As I understand it the the third adult is a niece, she may well wish to partake of the late nightlife, not be forced to stay in a room with three young children that are not her responsibility.

You may have referred to communal corridors, but the reality is those corridors have separate rooms on them, which would need to be locked with those three young children inside....is that acceptable to you?

dickydonkin

With respect, when you have paid for a luxury family holiday why should you have to make the best of a bad situation which is not of your own making? Why should you have to compromise?

Your comments are based on the input of one party - there are always two sides to a story and we only have one. The reality is (once again) that a category of room can be REQUESTED - but not Guaranteed.

The comments re the Mcann's are relevant and should not be ignored.

Using that analogy, you could then argue that because of previous air disasters, one should not fly. I suspect there is more chance of being involved in an aircraft accident that a child being abducted from a hotel room.

As I understand it the the third adult is a niece, she may well wish to partake of the late nightlife, not be forced to stay in a room with three young children that are not her responsibility.

Nobody is suggesting she is 'forced' to stay in a room with three young children - but as I suggested earlier, a couple of nights of compromise to enable the OP to stay with her partner would not be unreasonable.

You may have referred to communal corridors, but the reality is those corridors have separate rooms on them, which would need to be locked with those three young children inside....is that acceptable to you?

Locked....and safe and within reasonable distance of their parents.

It seems that I am on a hiding to nothing here - I have tried to provide some REALISTIC input, but I feel I am peeing into the wind.

OP- I really hope you get this issue resolved as it is obviously causing you distress but if the T&C's of you booking do indeed confirm that connecting rooms cannot be guaranteed, then it it will be a case of not wanting to compromise - but having to!

Some 'seasoned' travellers have tried to help you on here, but if you feel you genuinlely have a grievance with the TA and you have been mis-sold a product, then the onus is on you to prove that this is the case.