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Oh dear, in a pickle now!
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leveller2911 wrote: »seven-day-weekend wrote: »When my son was younger, none of these things had been recognised as 'real' conditions, I wish they had have been, then he could have had the help he needed, instead of being labelled, lazy, clumsy, naive, irritating, and Uncle Tom Cobley and all.
People will understand better one day, hopefully.
My son was shows signs of Asbergers but not all the signs.The Consultant told us he could "Label" him but it will impact on his future. Needless to say we didn't have him "Labelled" and I have no doubt he will find a suitable career as many do. How many parents had their children labelled (knowing they would receive extra benefits) but went for short term gain rather than looking at the childs future.
Go back 30-40 yrs and as you say they were not diagnosed with ADHD,Asbergers etc but how many of those same people went on to work and have careers?, probably the vast majority gained employment. I know children who have grown up and diagnosed with ADHD and all bar none received no dicipline at home or a stable family unit, they ran riot because they were allowed to and this has helped form their characters not illness.
My son is 32 and has not been formally diagnosed (he has been INformally diagnosed at the age of 27). Apart from one spell of unemployment he has always worked. He does not receive any Benefits for his condition, in fact he receives no Benefits at all.
I agree it is important not to let the condition define their lives, nevertheless, it is necessary to understand the difficulties people with these conditions might face that the rest of us do not and help them with coping strategies. We have always done this with our son (as he has always had those difficulties, even though they were not diagnosed) and now it is second nature to him to use them for the things he finds difficult.(AKA HRH_MUngo)
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seven-day-weekend wrote: »leveller2911 wrote: »
My son is 32 and has not been formally diagnosed (he has been INformally diagnosed at the age of 27). Apart from one spell of unemployment he has always worked. He does not receive any Benefits for his condition, in fact he receives no Benefits at all.
I agree it is important not to let the condition define their lives, nevertheless, it is necessary to understand the difficulties people with these conditions might face that the rest of us do not and help them with coping strategies.
I agree but its all too easy for people to take the easy option when things get a little difficult. Human nature tends to be to take the easy option rather than to test themselves and this is where we need to be cruel to be kind. We have had far too much carrott dangling over the past 20 years which has clearly failed.0 -
leveller2911 wrote: »seven-day-weekend wrote: »
I agree but its all too easy for people to take the easy option when things get a little difficult. Human nature tends to be to take the easy option rather than to test themselves and this is where we need to be cruel to be kind. We have had far too much carrott dangling over the past 20 years which has clearly failed.
Yes, I certainly agree with this post.(AKA HRH_MUngo)
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MissPiggy50 wrote: »You shuldnt have to work doin somat you dont wanna do. They tried to make me work in dog food packing place wiv loud noises all day and i told em to shove it and they havent stopped my money so far.
Dont listen to some prats on here, they probably got given loads of money or are on benfits too.
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Ah, I knew someone would come up with a silly comment about how their dad/mum/mate/themselves worked 12 hours a day and so on and so forth - but we're all different, I personally don't want to work in an environment that's going to damage me and adversely affect my work (which could lead to disciplinary action or loss of job eventually), and we're not all cut out for harsh long shiftsor certain environments. I've never been sacked, only ever been made redundant, and never walked out on a job before. So I shall not accept that I am in the wrong in that sense, only that I made a mistake and wasn't suitable for this particular job. I doubt that I'd do well working on an oil rig or down a mine, doesn't mean others can't.
I've applied for other positions, and am seriously looking into self-employment doing something I love and am passionate about, maybe I could scrape enough together to get by that way, but that's for a different forum.
Morganedge, I'm too honest and I think that this would show on some form of record, seeing as I handed in my P45 and bank details on the very first day? I don't think I could get away with pretending it didn't happen, but thankyou for the suggestion.
Umm. Sounds like bottom line is you dont want to work.0 -
You may be sanctioned I was and still am for leaving a job without good cause 6 weeks sanction!!! Harsh but thats my punishment.
Plus I walk to the job centre 45 mins there and back.
Should be forever in my opinion. Benefits are not there to allow you to pick and choose whether you want to work or not.0 -
MissPiggy50 wrote: »You shuldnt have to work doin somat you dont wanna do. They tried to make me work in dog food packing place wiv loud noises all day and i told em to shove it and they havent stopped my money so far.
Dont listen to some prats on here, they probably got given loads of money or are on benfits too.
I've got a terrible job too. They make me get out of bed in the morning and turn up at 9am. Tell you what - I dont want to do this, I'd rather sit on my !!!! all day and get money for doing nothing.0 -
awwww diddums! My dad has ALWAYS worked 12 hour shifts since he was 16 now he is 55- his back is messed up - wonder why he just hasn't 'given up'. You should be ashamed of yourself.
That of course is your dad , you cant really comment unless you are working those shifts under those conditions . Maybe your poor dad had to work under those conditions to support you ?Vuja De - the feeling you'll be here later0 -
That of course is your dad , you cant really comment unless you are working those shifts under those conditions . Maybe your poor dad had to work under those conditions to support you ?
pelirocco - that's the point though. Benefits are not there so you can pick and choose a job you fancy doing. They're there as a safety net when you CANT GET ANY JOB.
If the only job you can get is a crappy one then TOUGH LUCK. You should have listened in school.
But, of course, people in this country think they've got a right to benefits and treat it as a lifestyle option.0
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