Where can I get info about a non limited company.

Snoopy_rules

saver_sam wrote: »

Are you sure its perhaps not NI ? as Northern Ireland companies begin with this. I've not heard of a non limited company having a registration number before

Definately a non limited company. I have got some details from experian and it is listed as non-limited. Unfortunately someone else has taken him to court and had a ccj issued on him. Anyone know if I can view the ccj to find out who took him to court? Thanks

saver_sam

I've just checked with the OH and he says there is not a way of finding out who issued the ccj

Bamber19

Snoopy_rules wrote: »

Does this mean if I take him to court I do so as an individual as opposed to the company?

No you take the company to court but any award made to you would primarily come out of the company accounts etc but if the company became insolvent the directors don't have limited liability so would be liable for the remainder of the debt.

munnyman_2

The NL is a prefix that is given to Non Ltd companies by certain credit report providers - but it is not industry standard. Its the same with the reference number you had - its will be specific to the credit checking company that provided the information, not common across all. Unlike Ltd companies, Non Ltds are not legally required to provide filled data to Companies house - so most of what you can get is mined by people like Yell and Thompsons.
Ref the CCJ, the report from Experian you have should state the court and case number. You could always try contacting the court direct to see if they can privide you details, although they are very slow - mainly becuase they are still predominantly paper based operations. But double check the CCJ - sometimes they can be wrong on Non Ltd companies as its very hard for the credit companies to match CCj's against a company as there is no common reference number and its all matched on address and name.

AdminBC

Hello Everyone,
We have a similar problem with a company called CONTACT INFORMATION SERVICES or CIS LEADS.
Here is the story in short:


On the 21/03/07 we had an appointment with Mr A. Jacobs a CIS agent. Mr Jacobs has explained us that CIS is mainly selling business leads and for a sum of £200 payable by cheque we will receive every month at least 100 new leads that would cover Oxfordshire and Buckinghamshire area. Everything looked fine but how wrong we were...

As during the past year we did not received a single informational pack, papers, documentation or anything that would have helped us contact the potential customers we have decided to call it a loss at that time especially after contacting them several times and being told all sorts of excuses. Bad printers, sick workers, waiting for data to be processed, etc.

We have contacted them recently in order to get a refund and the received answer was extremely rude, something like "go and f...k...yourself! We found this totally unacceptable as we were expecting them to refund us the £200 we have paid last year in respect to the above matter as they have not respected their part of the engagement but their very rude answer made us understood that there's no chance in getting the money back. So it was called a loss...unfortunately the story doesn't end here.

Five months ago we have received a letter stating that our account with CIS is £250 outstanding as we have not paid for 2008 part of the contract, a letter signed by someone called MARIA COLLINS, apparently the Accounts Manager. Then the letter was followed by several threatening phone calls from all sort of dubious people and phone numbers for more than three weeks, everyday.

Martin, John, Mick etc
01217777699, 01217022162, 08701266067

At this point we decided that we had enough and we have taken them to the court. We won the case and the court has sent the bailiffs to their door a week ago. The problem is that the letter we have received from the court the other day mentioned that the given address to the bailiffs is was pointing them to the registered office of Contact Information Services only therefore the bailiffs could do nothing and in order to issue another warrant we will have to pay extra fees. The address where the bailiffs went it is the address from CIS invoice:
Litton House, Global Business Park, Saville Road, Westwood, Peterborough. PE3 7PR

I have decided to do a little research myself and this is what I have found so far:


CIS Web Site
www.salesleads.co.uk

Domain Name Registrar
www.esterling.co.uk

WEB SITE's Registrant Address
1206 Stratford Road, Hall Green, Birmingham, West Midlands, B28 8HN

ADDRESS on the WEBSITE: (wrong postcode)
Litton House, Global Business Park, Saville Road, Westwood, Peterborough. PE37 7PR

I have checked the above address and it looks like there are so many other businesses registered at the same address:

Residential Landlords Association - RLA Property Ltd - www.rla.org.uk - with the business address in Manchester.
Claim Time Solicitors - www.claimtime.co.uk - Without a business address on their Web Site.
Barron & Co Accountants - Without a Web Site.
R J Evans Bullock And Co - Without a Web Site.

It is a NON LIMITED company, the reg number is NL17859938 and the registered address is the one from the invoice. See more below:
http://bytestart.checksure.biz/freesearch2_company.asp?ssn=4859794-7785643037397114231744212&companynumber=NL17859938

VAT No - 887085376

Contact Numbers: 01217777699, 01217022162, 08701266067

ACCOUNTS DIRECTOR - Maria Collins



This is all we have so far about these fraudsters. Is there anyone that knows CSI Leads or at least can help us identify them and stop them from stealing money from more and more businesses, please do get in touch.

Thank you all for your time and support, it is much appreciated.

vivatifosi

Hi AdminBC,

I don't know CIS leads but I have had a look at their website. It looks to me as though their leads originate from planning and this is a common type of lead output. Glenigans and Barbour ABI are the two main companies that I know operating in this field and have been going for years (I've been working with lead generation sources for over 20 years and they've been around longer than that).

However, there are two points I would make. Firstly 100 leads per month just for Oxfordshire and Buckinghamshire is a tall order if you put any filters on your list. For them to succeed in fulfilling your order I would expect that they would have to put through almost every lead in your criteria, yet no company buying these types of leads would service every category. Different companies go for different sized leads, or in different sectors depending on their capabilities and skills base.

Secondly, now that most councils have their planning systems online, there's no reason you shouldn't get this information yourself free of charge. It would take a bit longer, for sure, but once you know what you are doing it doesn't take that much longer and should save you money.

Sorry I can't help you further with the company that you are having trouble with, but hopefully this will give you some ideas of how to move forward in a difficult market. Please feel free to PM me if you need help setting up the mechanics of how to do this.

spuds_2

Following on from the OP's mention of county court judgements, does anyone know how it is possible to find the details of small claims court judgements against companies or individuals? I think you can find out about county court judgements through the Registry Trust Ltd (for a fee):

http://www.registry-trust.org.uk/Home/tabid/35/Default.aspx

But when I rang the woman said it didn't cover small claims court info and she didn't know who did. Any idaes MSE'ers?

AdminBC

hi vivatifosi,
First of all thank you very much for the quick reply.
You see I have given up in buying leads or believing in this type of system (even without having a chance to see it at work) and that's because CIS. The reason I have placed the above post on this forum is not to judge CIS capabilities in delivering us the promised leads. That's gone long time ago.
All we need at this point is someone who can give us a good advice of what it can be done to stop these fraudsters for good. Someone who had a similar problem or someone who knows them. I have been told that Trading Standards may be interested? What do you think?

vivatifosi

It strikes me that there are two issues here. First that they failed to honour their contract and deliver you what they said they would. The second is that they continued to take money from you even after you cancelled. The third one, that they were downright rude is more subjective and harder to prove. Does that sound right?

In that case, I would definitely take it to Trading Standards. You might also try one off the national press sources that investigate this sort of thing, such as Penman and Sommerlad in the Daily Mirror. Nothing ventured, nothing gained, and as a small business if someone scammed me out of more than £200 then I would be doing the same too...

hollydays

AdminBC wrote: »

Hello Everyone,
We have a similar problem with a company called CONTACT INFORMATION SERVICES or CIS LEADS.
Here is the story in short:


On the 21/03/07 we had an appointment with Mr A. Jacobs a CIS agent. Mr Jacobs has explained us that CIS is mainly selling business leads and for a sum of £200 payable by cheque we will receive every month at least 100 new leads that would cover Oxfordshire and Buckinghamshire area. Everything looked fine but how wrong we were...

As during the past year we did not received a single informational pack, papers, documentation or anything that would have helped us contact the potential customers we have decided to call it a loss at that time especially after contacting them several times and being told all sorts of excuses. Bad printers, sick workers, waiting for data to be processed, etc.

We have contacted them recently in order to get a refund and the received answer was extremely rude, something like "go and f...k...yourself! We found this totally unacceptable as we were expecting them to refund us the £200 we have paid last year in respect to the above matter as they have not respected their part of the engagement but their very rude answer made us understood that there's no chance in getting the money back. So it was called a loss...unfortunately the story doesn't end here.

Five months ago we have received a letter stating that our account with CIS is £250 outstanding as we have not paid for 2008 part of the contract, a letter signed by someone called MARIA COLLINS, apparently the Accounts Manager. Then the letter was followed by several threatening phone calls from all sort of dubious people and phone numbers for more than three weeks, everyday.

Martin, John, Mick etc
01217777699, 01217022162, 08701266067

At this point we decided that we had enough and we have taken them to the court. We won the case and the court has sent the bailiffs to their door a week ago. The problem is that the letter we have received from the court the other day mentioned that the given address to the bailiffs is was pointing them to the registered office of Contact Information Services only therefore the bailiffs could do nothing and in order to issue another warrant we will have to pay extra fees. The address where the bailiffs went it is the address from CIS invoice:
Litton House, Global Business Park, Saville Road, Westwood, Peterborough. PE3 7PR

I have decided to do a little research myself and this is what I have found so far:


CIS Web Site
www.salesleads.co.uk

Domain Name Registrar
www.esterling.co.uk

WEB SITE's Registrant Address
1206 Stratford Road, Hall Green, Birmingham, West Midlands, B28 8HN

ADDRESS on the WEBSITE: (wrong postcode)
Litton House, Global Business Park, Saville Road, Westwood, Peterborough. PE37 7PR

I have checked the above address and it looks like there are so many other businesses registered at the same address:

Residential Landlords Association - RLA Property Ltd - www.rla.org.uk - with the business address in Manchester.
Claim Time Solicitors - www.claimtime.co.uk - Without a business address on their Web Site.
Barron & Co Accountants - Without a Web Site.
R J Evans Bullock And Co - Without a Web Site.

It is a NON LIMITED company, the reg number is NL17859938 and the registered address is the one from the invoice. See more below:
http://bytestart.checksure.biz/freesearch2_company.asp?ssn=4859794-7785643037397114231744212&companynumber=NL17859938

VAT No - 887085376

Contact Numbers: 01217777699, 01217022162, 08701266067

ACCOUNTS DIRECTOR - Maria Collins



This is all we have so far about these fraudsters. Is there anyone that knows CSI Leads or at least can help us identify them and stop them from stealing money from more and more businesses, please do get in touch.

Thank you all for your time and support, it is much appreciated.

Are you saying you paid him without signing a contract guarenteeing the leads as specified?