Need help (Complicated)

marybelle01

fishybusiness wrote: »

Has this become some sort of punishment forum?

Reading the whole set of posts, OP seems to have taken all his responsibilities, and has a job too.

Taking time to look forward and want a better life for himself is no crime, and by the looks of it, he wants to carry on working too.

Why is it an 'issue', and why would you seek to remind him of his troubles.

It's like walking in to an advice centre and being told what you have done wrong rather than what to do to make things right.

The OP thinks it is unfair that he can't save for a house, a car and have nights out. He can't increase his work hours because he has parental responsibilities two nights a week (which only leaves seven days and five nights to work in). It isn't his fault he has two children before the age of 21 because he didn't want one of them (which could have been easily remedied). He's living very cheaply at his fathers but it's the fault of his father having an income that stops him claiming. It isn't the past that is the problem - it's the current attitude.

Lots of people make mistakes, yes, but they have to live with that and get on with it. The OP can work more hours, get another job, but oh, incidentally, he'll have to work even fewer hours if he goes to college. None of these things the OP would like get handed on a plate to anyone, and if you have responsibilities then you have to work that bit harder and make that many more sacrifices. Nobody is entitled to have it all, and that is how the OP comes across - that they expect someone else to pick up the support of their children whilst also picking up the tab for them going to college, and working fewer hours so that they can do that...

fishybusiness

The OP thinks it is unfair that he can't save for a house, a car and have nights out. He can't increase his work hours because he has parental responsibilities two nights a week (which only leaves seven days and five nights to work in). It isn't his fault he has two children before the age of 21 because he didn't want one of them (which could have been easily remedied). He's living very cheaply at his fathers but it's the fault of his father having an income that stops him claiming. It isn't the past that is the problem - it's the current attitude.

Lots of people make mistakes, yes, but they have to live with that and get on with it. The OP can work more hours, get another job, but oh, incidentally, he'll have to work even fewer hours if he goes to college. None of these things the OP would like get handed on a plate to anyone, and if you have responsibilities then you have to work that bit harder and make that many more sacrifices. Nobody is entitled to have it all, and that is how the OP comes across - that they expect someone else to pick up the support of their children whilst also picking up the tab for them going to college, and working fewer hours so that they can do that...

Fair enough.....

I don't think he thinks it is unfair on him, more so that he is trying, and working and doesn't get the kind of help his fellow JSA claimants do.

To have the ability to think of his future rather than stay 'stuck' where he is, I consider is a person worth backing.....hence my comments.

Torry_Quine

A_D_B wrote: »

Because household income affects the funding to go to college or university, the higher, the less financial support I receive, and more likely to have to pay for my course out of my own money.

As for the person who said its my choice to have to children, it was my choice to have one of them, then she left me and only Allows me to have him for 2 nights, which I would rather have him a lot more so don't judge thinking im a walk out father. The 2nd I didn't even know about until he was almost 1. Everyone's made mistakes and done things their not proud of. Aside from that, this is irrelevant, I want to know if there is any help I could get to educate myself to a higher standard.

I have no intention of going on JSA, it just annoys the hell out of me that they get everything paid for when they do nothing to earn it.
As for working 5 days a week, how am I suppose to do that and fit a college course in at the same time? I have my son 2 full days, and 2 halfs days of the week.

Your household doesn't include your father as you are an adult so that could well make a very real difference.

Unlike many others you are at least taking responsibility and I admire you for that.

heartbreak_star

Open University is a great idea you can do assignments when your little one has gone to bed and whatnot.

Incidentally, I don't have a degree and I'm working in scientific engineering. My partner doesn't have a degree and he works in IT. We both have HNCs. A degree is no guarantee of a higher level of income, I was taken on over two others with degrees because of my lab experience and interest in the actual job.

I do admire the fact you would like to better yourself, but maybe looking for a job where you can work up the ranks is more feasible at the moment as you chose to have children?

HBS x

Dunroamin

fishybusiness wrote: »

Fair enough.....

I don't think he thinks it is unfair on him, more so that he is trying, and working and doesn't get the kind of help his fellow JSA claimants do.
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But JSA claimants wouldn't get any more help than he does.

I don't know how you managed to do a FT Access course whilst claiming JSA but you wouldn't be able to do that now as you wouldn't be considered to be available for work.

If he was on JSA he wouldn't be able to study full time and even part time would be a problem because of the Work Programme and other requirements.

Things have changed a great deal in the last 9 years.

fishybusiness

I don't know how you managed to do a FT Access course whilst claiming JSA but you wouldn't be able to do that now as you wouldn't be considered to be available for work.

It is not quite like that.

Perhaps for me, my personal circumstances helped. I started my Access course in the September, used my holiday days to cover my college days until mid November. I then worked my notice until something like 20th December (can't remember exactly).

That got me through the first part of the course, and I then signed on.

Access is 16 hrs a week. Jobcentre wanted a learning agreement from college to prove my hours, college gave me that no problem. Jobcentre agreed for me to continue the course as long as I agreed to go to interviews and take any job I was offered. I agreed.

Access ended at the end of May, and I was under a lot of pressure to find work - and to be fair I knew I needed to get to the end of my course so I could move on so I held out until June. I expressed an interest in self employment and Jobcentre put me on a course, which was actually quite good and I ended up working for myself for a few years.

That was it for me.

I would expect if OP was claiming JSA now, his course fees would be waivered - being an FE course rather than HE.

Can anyone confirm that?

princessdon

Access courses are now full time if doing all modules. Reason being college funding - even if only there 16 hours.

Jsa -won't allow a full time course. Yes college would accept it for free. But it may be free anyway (quals and age), that's up to them.

Many colleges offer it over 2 yrs - so pt - none jsa affected.

shellsuit

A_D_B wrote: »

Because household income affects the funding to go to college or university, the higher, the less financial support I receive, and more likely to have to pay for my course out of my own money.

As for the person who said its my choice to have to children, it was my choice to have one of them, then she left me and only Allows me to have him for 2 nights, which I would rather have him a lot more so don't judge thinking im a walk out father. The 2nd I didn't even know about until he was almost 1. Everyone's made mistakes and done things their not proud of. Aside from that, this is irrelevant, I want to know if there is any help I could get to educate myself to a higher standard.

I have no intention of going on JSA, it just annoys the hell out of me that they get everything paid for when they do nothing to earn it.
As for working 5 days a week, how am I suppose to do that and fit a college course in at the same time? I have my son 2 full days, and 2 halfs days of the week.

Excuse me?!

Maybe for some people that's because they have worked for 40 years so are entitled for some help when they need it! They don't need to be judged by people who WANT WANT WANT and don't actually NEED.

I know for a fact my Dad would LOVE to be in your shoes, with a job, instead of being on JSA, so stop whining and count yourself lucky!

Honestly, some people! :mad:

fishybusiness

The Acces To HE website says 16hrs or under.

http://www.accesstohe.ac.uk/home/explanation.asp

Reading around the JSA rules I believe the process is much the same as it used to be.

Same question has been answered here recently

http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1925809

Perhaps useful info for OP....

gingergee

OP needs to see the finance officer at college. Mine is ringing me everyday, sourcing funding etc. They know their stuff, will give them that.
Also, OP, don't be disheartened if you do have to wait a while to do the course, im 29 and doing mine now!! I have done it before but its expired and they wont transfer my credits, but hey=ho, it gets me back in the swing if learning x