no more psychic readings on ebay

Strapped

RHemmings wrote: »

If I criticised them solely because of their "religion", that would be prejuduce. But, I'm criticising them for what they do, which is deceive and scam people. Here's a listing for pendulum based baby gender prediction which claims a 95-97% accuracy rate.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Baby-Gender-Prediction-Clairvoyant-Psychic-Reading-/270875163341?pt=UK_Metaphysical_New_Age&hash=item3f116afacd

I do not believe that these claims of accuracy are true, and hence I believe that this auction is out to obtain money through false pretenses - i.e. the everyday definition of fraud in my books. Anyone who could predict a baby's gender with 95-97% accuracy using a pendulum would easily be able to prove accuracy well above chance and prove that their psychic/divination powers actually exist. But they don't because they can't.

It's equally valid to criticise e.g. faith healers, who may believe this as part of a religion, but what they are doing is wrong. E.g. the faith healers who were censured by the ASA in Bath.

I do not criticise "psychics" and "faith healers" for who they are or because they have a particular belief, but because of what they do. And that, I believe, is a valid criticism. It could be answered by providing properly conducted evidence to show that claims for the effectiveness of spells, psychic readings, etc. are true. This would be trivial in a case where someone is able to predict the gender of a child with 95-97% accuracy. But it never actually happens.

Exactly. Believe what you like, but if you're selling it, you gotta be able to prove it. Which they can't. Let's not !!!!!foot around this on the pretence of religion when it's a hard commerical transaction.

ETA: lol, p ussy is censored

Strapped

Crowqueen wrote: »

RH - perhaps if I said Muslims were evil people, I would get reported. To some Wicca is a religion - not to me, but I would not, for instance, discuss the pros and cons of having a monarchy by making hateful comments about the Queen.

Whilst we are talking about some people's belief systems, please keep it respectful. As Soo says, there may be people out there who make their living this way, just like there are people who make their living as priests or imams or rabbis. It's not much different when you talk to genuine witches. As with everything, there are charlatans, but this is not a thread which I want to see degenerate.

If I made such comments about your interests, no doubt you would find it offensive. Please don't see it as some easy, acceptable target.

Much of the industry is now centred on help, support and guidance rather than trying to predict the future. While I think some things possible and have had experiences, some pretty profound, some which I would like to forget, I take an even-handed view and support this move. So bringing such hateful words into the discussion is going to turn it in a direction in which no-one wants to see it go.

If we want people affected to participate in the discussion, calling them drug-pushers is not going to encourage them to do so.

Thank you.

"Genuine witches".

:silenced:

:kisses3:

RHemmings

Crowqueen wrote: »

If I made such comments about your interests, no doubt you would find it offensive. Please don't see it as some easy, acceptable target.

I would be quite happy for people to make comments about my interests. If I thought those comments were misguided then I would respond with calm, reasoned, debate.

Danni-R

Think this says it all really...

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PLEASE CHECK SPAM WHEN AWAITING MY RESPONSE".

markmas

RHemmings wrote: »

If I criticised them solely because of their "religion", that would be prejuduce. But, I'm criticising them for what they do, which is deceive and scam people. Here's a listing for pendulum based baby gender prediction which claims a 95-97% accuracy rate.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Baby-Gender-Prediction-Clairvoyant-Psychic-Reading-/270875163341?pt=UK_Metaphysical_New_Age&hash=item3f116afacd

Wow, 206 of these items sold at £4.95 each. That is 206 victims of fraud just from this one listing.

soolin

markmas wrote: »

Wow, 206 of these items sold at £4.95 each. That is 206 victims of fraud just from this one listing.

And over £1000 income from tossing a coin- nice work if you can get it.

soolin

For £4.95 a throw I'd do a basic card reading for you- regardless of who you are my first comment (I see clearly through the mist) is that you or someone fairly close to you has had a bit of a health worry or recurring health problem recently...

That should cover about 90% of the people reading this, now can I have my £4.95 please?

Regardless of our beliefs I woudl think that any one who truly believed in 'whatever' would not mind critiscm as it makes no difference to our own belief system. I could say that I always throw a coin in when I visit a fountain or other body of water known to be lucky, you could ridicule me all you want, but if i believed that some how it was 'necessary' I'd carry on doing it as it only matters what 'I' believe

buggritt

Strapped wrote: »

Exactly. Believe what you like, but if you're selling it, you gotta be able to prove it. Which they can't. Let's not !!!!!foot around this on the pretence of religion when it's a hard commerical transaction.

ETA: lol, p ussy is censored

Do you extend that judgement to the Church of England? After all, a vicar makes a living by promising people eternal life. That been proven yet?
There's far too much of this going on. Protecting the "vulnerable".
I am acquainted with a few succesful people who believe in spiritualism.
Personally, I think the whole god thing, along with this, is total bollix.
But dumping on others beliefs is not the way we do things here.

KxMx

I've bought two readings via eBay in the past, both well under £5 and both with a % going to charity.

Both were a load of rubbish frankly and nothing even remotely came to pass from the readings- and I was open in that I wanted the area of my health looked at which was a giveaway for them.

It's a shame because I could really do with some guidance, or reasurance i'm not looking at another 6 years of hell with my health...

pulliptears

According to the woman who started the thread readings sent via the post and spells sent in kit form for example will still be admissible. Be interesting to see if she's right.