Why the everyday make-up?

jellyhead

onlyroz wrote: »

I did once get into a bizarre discussion about eyebrow plucking with a male colleague - it's something I've never done, but he seemed to think that most women viewed it as a mandatory activity.

I've had that discussion ... it's not something I ever thought I'd do, but I turned 40 and woke the next day as a werewolf :eek: Before this year I've never given my eyebrows a moment's thought.

If they'd been like this when I was younger then I suppose I'd have considered it sooner.

coolcait

Person_one wrote: »

I will still be wearing it because I know that's what's expected and I would feel very self conscious without it!

You see that, to me, smacks of your personal insecurities rather than anything else.

If you don't want to wear make-up, don't wear it. If you don't want to wear certain clothes, don't wear them.

Equally, if you do want to wear make-up, wear it. If you do want to wear certain clothes, wear them.

You're talking about something you're going to do in your own free time.

If you wear something that you don't want to wear - whether that's make-up, clothes, shoes, hairstyle etc - because you feel the need to 'conform', and would feel self-conscious if you didn't 'conform', then maybe you need to look at ways to develop the confidence to do what you actually want to do.

There are lots of pressures in society; there is lots of overt and subliminal advertising. But we all have the ability to say 'no' to doing something that we don't want to do (within the bounds of legality, of course). We don't always have the confidence to put that ability into practice.

coolcait

Person_one wrote: »

Your post seemed a bit defensive, I'm not attacking, I thought we were discussing!

I disagree.

You and Tina are coming across as 'defensive'. Tina is definitely coming across as 'attacking'.

The fact that you are both insisting that anyone who disagrees with you is 'defensive' and/or 'attacking' seems more than a little manipulative. The fact that you have both chosen that line makes it look like a strategy. I wonder if there is some kind of - possibly feminist - 'line-to-take' which advocates this approach?

I think it's also interesting that both you and Tina have been through very traumatic experiences related to appearance/make-up etc.

Torry_Quine

coolcait wrote: »

You see that, to me, smacks of your personal insecurities rather than anything else.

If you don't want to wear make-up, don't wear it. If you don't want to wear certain clothes, don't wear them.

Equally, if you do want to wear make-up, wear it. If you do want to wear certain clothes, wear them.

You're talking about something you're going to do in your own free time.

If you wear something that you don't want to wear - whether that's make-up, clothes, shoes, hairstyle etc - because you feel the need to 'conform', and would feel self-conscious if you didn't 'conform', then maybe you need to look at ways to develop the confidence to do what you actually want to do.

There are lots of pressures in society; there is lots of overt and subliminal advertising. But we all have the ability to say 'no' to doing something that we don't want to do (within the bounds of legality, of course). We don't always have the confidence to put that ability into practice.

Brilliant post. :A

coolcait

rachbc wrote: »

Not to mention the fact that your highly emotive language such as 'religiously' enslaved' makes you look anything but calm and rational. :cool:

thatgirlsam wrote: »

If anyone is coming across as aggressive and bothered about the whole thing it is Tina20

I have thanked both of the above posts, as I agree with the way they describe Tina20's posts.

However, this part of one of Tina's posts may explain why she is so vehemently and aggressively anti-make-up:

Tina20 wrote: »

Maybe my opinion is biased, having seen my sister a slave to make up. It trapped her so intensely, she couldn't leave the house. She said if people saw her without it she would look like a failure.

I hate makeup and what it does to some women. If anything else made people wary of leaving the house than it would be banned or restricted. But it's totally legal to enslave women with the idea of a perfect face, the eyelashes just long enough, blemishes hidden enough, eyes and lips lined etc.
I find the whole industry disturbing.

In my view, it seems unlikely that make up was the cause of this tragic situation. It seems more likely that Tina's sister had a mental health condition which manifested itself in this way. However, it is quite clear that Tina sees it very differently.

I think that this explains why Tina has such strong feelings about make up and the make up industry. However, it does not excuse the way she has written about women who do choose to wear make up. It certainly does not excuse the way she has written to some of the posters on this thread.

That said, I do feel sorry for her, her sister, and her family.
They have all clearly been through some difficult times.

Person_one

coolcait wrote: »

You see that, to me, smacks of your personal insecurities rather than anything else.

If you don't want to wear make-up, don't wear it. If you don't want to wear certain clothes, don't wear them.

Equally, if you do want to wear make-up, wear it. If you do want to wear certain clothes, wear them.

You're talking about something you're going to do in your own free time.

If you wear something that you don't want to wear - whether that's make-up, clothes, shoes, hairstyle etc - because you feel the need to 'conform', and would feel self-conscious if you didn't 'conform', then maybe you need to look at ways to develop the confidence to do what you actually want to do.

There are lots of pressures in society; there is lots of overt and subliminal advertising. But we all have the ability to say 'no' to doing something that we don't want to do (within the bounds of legality, of course). We don't always have the confidence to put that ability into practice.

Well, its partly about my insecurities and partly about the wider issue.

I don't think you can really ignore the wider issue by trying to place all the responsibility on individuals.

I looked around me tonight, out of hundreds I only saw one woman who wasn't wearing makeup. One. Usually its none.

jansus

I wear make up because i like it and i like the way i look when i wear it, nothing more nothing less

Mrs.W_2

Why make-up every day? Well, if you ask my Other Mother (Dad by birth) that, she'd say, it's been a long journey to becoming a woman, so I'll slap on the make up as I please. And she does.

I rarely bother.

katie89

I wear very light make up on a day to day basis for work. A light brush of face powder, mascara, and either a touch of blusher or bronzer depending on the season. The reason is because i'm very pale naturally, and last time I went to work with no make up on, someone asked if I was ill.

TheConways

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