Can I get these "extra" calls included in my monthly allowance?

utilitybroker

hpuse wrote: »

Folks, for heaven sake DO NOT USE 07744, 07733, or 07755 numbers from your mobile phone thinking that they are included in your inclusive free or x-net minutes.

Don’t believe me ?, make 1 short call on a day just before then end of your monthly billing date and verify it yourself (and save your precious money!)

THE ABOVE NUMBERS ARE NOT **MOBILE NUMBERS**. THEY ARE SO CALLED GATEWAY NUMBERS USED TO MAP SMS MESSAGES BUT ALSO PROVIDE VOICE CONNECTION WITH GSM OPERATORS, AT PRE-ARRANGED RATES.

There used to be a time it appeared in the inclusive minutes purely by error.
This is mainly because of a bug (mal-function) in the billing system software used by GSM operators in the UK (except Vodafone) ....THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE THE CASE ANYMORE WITH 02, T-MOBILE OR EVEN ORANGE !

Unfortunately, these have now become SCAMS run by private operators under the banner that sell **FREE international calls** from inclusive minutes. Fact of the matter is, they are 25p to 50p extra per minute than the normal international rate....NOTHING BUT LOOTING!

THE CROOKS OPERTATING THIS KNOW THAT THERE IS WAY OUT legally, even if they are taken to court due to the previous bug acknowledged by OFCOM itself.

OFCOM means a bunch of government sponsored uneducated idiots making policies for conman, scammers to generate money by fooling a common man's phone..earlier it was 070 personal service, now it is 077xxWAKE UP YOU OFCOM-MORONS!!!

Calls to 07744/07755 (gateway/access numbers) ARE still included in Orange,T-Mob,& Virgin X-Net inclusive contract minutes at the present time.When you run out of inclusive minutes they are chargeable.

They are not included in o2,Vodafone,or 3 contracts. Nor are they included in any UK payg network minutes. (However unlike other suppliers o2 contract,s allow you to make calls via 0844/0870 (gateway/access numbers) out of your inclusive minutes.)

However the calls to these numbers are not strictly free as you normally pay for your inclusive minutes,unless your on a cashback deal.;)

The mobile numbering range starting 07733 is a normal mobile one originally allocated to Vodafone, and is charged accordingly.

redux

hpuse wrote: »

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OFCOM means a bunch of government sponsored uneducated idiots making policies for conman, scammers to generate money by fooling a common man's phone..earlier it was 070 personal service, now it is 077xxWAKE UP YOU OFCOM-MORONS!!!

Don't come on this board and post a load of abuse and made-up total bollocx and then say other people are uneducated

utilitybroker's information is correct

07744 and 07755 numbers are from the defunct Dolphin network, now issued for use by themselves and other agents by a successor company who are certainly not crooks.

It is completely up to the main networks' policy decisions which calls to allow in inclusive minutes, and Ofcom does not interfere in this, nor have they ever said the use is illegal or admitted that they are unable to intervene.

About a third of all the mobile phones in the country start with 077xx

apples1

utilitybroker wrote: »

What network are you calling them from and is it PAYG or contract ?

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As mentioned in my original post I was calling from T Mobile. It is flext package pay monthly.

hpuse

Show me ONE number gateway number which has been included for the past 3 months continuously by any network.

FACT of the matter is - theirs (gateway access) business profit from the operator' ignorace and when they close the acces, they simply change the number again profiting from those X% of the unaware users. This aint rocket science !, utility broker.

People sing up mobile contract for 18 months to get 1 month free international call and rest of the 17 months happily pay double the rates!!!

This is what is called exploiting the vulnerability.

utilitybroker wrote: »

Calls to 07744/07755 (gateway/access numbers) ARE still included in Orange,T-Mob,& Virgin X-Net inclusive contract minutes at the present time.When you run out of inclusive minutes they are chargeable.

They are not included in o2,Vodafone,or 3 contracts. Nor are they included in any UK payg network minutes. (However unlike other suppliers o2 contract,s allow you to make calls via 0844/0870 (gateway/access numbers) out of your inclusive minutes.)

However the calls to these numbers are not strictly free as you normally pay for your inclusive minutes,unless your on a cashback deal.;)

The mobile numbering range starting 07733 is a normal mobile one originally allocated to Vodafone, and is charged accordingly.

hpuse

Redux, for you to understand easily, think it this way,

How many providers announce the price in advance when selling their 07744 service ?, oh they expect everybody to be using inclusive minutes and those free operators, what an ideal situation !

These services (070, 07744 etc) are perhaps the only product where people will still pay the price after realizing it how much they paid extra when seeing a monthly bill towards the end.

Bear in mind, OFCOM 'regulates' that service, and that' my point.

redux wrote: »

Don't come on this board and post a load of abuse and made-up total bollocx and then say other people are uneducated

utilitybroker's information is correct

07744 and 07755 numbers are from the defunct Dolphin network, now issued for use by themselves and other agents by a successor company who are certainly not crooks.

It is completely up to the main networks' policy decisions which calls to allow in inclusive minutes, and Ofcom does not interfere in this, nor have they ever said the use is illegal or admitted that they are unable to intervene.

About a third of all the mobile phones in the country start with 077xx

redux

hpuse wrote: »

Show me ONE number gateway number which has been included for the past 3 months continuously by any network.

FACT of the matter is - theirs (gateway access) business profit from the operator' ignorace and when they close the acces, they simply change the number again profiting from those X% of the unaware users. This aint rocket science !, utility broker.

People sing up mobile contract for 18 months to get 1 month free international call and rest of the 17 months happily pay double the rates!!!

This is what is called exploiting the vulnerability.

hpuse wrote: »

Redux, for you to understand easily, think it this way,

How many providers announce the price in advance when selling their 07744 service ?, oh they expect everybody to be using inclusive minutes and those free operators, what an ideal situation !

These services (070, 07744 etc) are perhaps the only product where people will still pay the price after realizing it how much they paid extra when seeing a monthly bill towards the end.

Bear in mind, OFCOM 'regulates' that service, and that' my point.

hpuse, listen very carefully, I shall say this only once - you really don't know !!!!!! you are talking about, and are completely making some things up.

1. In your previous post you said a load of complete bollox about the original use of these numbers, with something about mapping sms (???)

2. I'm not going to put a list of 07744 providers, but there are plenty of such numbers that have been in continual use for a couple of years. Just because some of the providers sometimes publish new numbers does not mean that they disable the old ones.

3. No mobile customer pre-pays any money to the 07744 providers, so they are not suckering in gullible people, only to fly by night with a load of ill-gotten gains.

4. The mobile networks choose whether to have these calls in inclusive minutes, and whilst some have changed policy in the last two years, they do not arbitrarily or carefully change their minds on individual customer's contracts the very month after they joined on an 18 month deal, to exploit the vulnerable - this assertion is pure paranoid invention and !!!!!!.

5. 070 numbers are a different function - personal numbers for forwarding on to the individual's choice of destination, such as a mobile here or even abroad. It is illegal to have revenue-sharing on such numbers. They were first launched quite a while ago, but haven't dropped in price to match mobile tariffs and are now just too expensive, so are no longer included in any mobile contract deals.

6. 07744 and 07755 numbers are mobile numbers that receive termination fees from the caller's network just like any other mobile. A number of calls providers have made arrangements with the company holding and issuing the numbers, such that they provide the callthrough destinations from their share of that revenue. This is exactly akin to the operation of 0844 0845 0870 and 0871 callthrough numbers - which themselves are included in some but not all (and actually fewer) network's inclusive minute packages, which again is network charging policy.

7. Ofcom has some powers on BT pricing and on mobile termination rates (which they've just reduced slightly), but their regulation does not consist of telling mobile networks what their retail tariffs for line rental or call charges should be, or which calls are included in which packages.


The members of these forums want to help each other with useful and factual information. Please don't continue to post nonsense about things you haven't studied in enough detail.

For those networks that don't include such callthrough possibilities from inclusive minutes, there are still other options for fairly cheap calls, from about 0.5p/min to foreign landlines and a few pence a minute for mobiles. The MSE Callchecker has useful information on possibilities, as do frequent threads on here

hpuse

redux,

With all respect, if you think it "helps" people by announcing 07744 or 07755 service numbers which inevitably goes out-of-free-minutes on a public forum, same way I think there is "more help" by exposing the cheating tricks employed by these operators to pocket revenue by exploiting a system.

I'm prepared to withdraw ALL my comments if you SHOW me ONE access number which has been included in free minutes for the last 6 months by any operator. So we both are playing a fair game, serving a "moneysaving" and conscious public forum very peacefully, right?

Now the technical side (since you showed interest by writing an 8 para essay) - Dolphin is a network which is no more in operation since 2003/04. The numbers ranges allocated for dolphin will stay for another 5 years (as per OFCOM ), which means these 07744/55 new number ranges will keep popping.
Or in other words, the numbers are not yet "defunct" as far as revenue generation is concerned for operators holding them.

The term "Gateway", for your info, in telecom operator’s world means service conversion (eg. SMS, Data, Voice etc) from one-to-another. Bear in mind, Dolphin was never a GSM operator, so please ask yourself the following questions to get a better insight.


- Why are these Gateway numbers still operational when Dolphin is no more?

- Why are their access numbers keep changing (there is more to come!)?

- Why was 07744 access numbers never free on Vodafone or 3g( Three) right from the start (or from the date when Dolphin Disappeared?)

GSM operators billing system include them (or used to include them) in x-net free minutes because these numbers structurally look similar to mobile number till the point where the system alerts its high use and adds it to the "exclusion" list. This is what I mentioned earlier by the term "bug". The 07744 operators continue to profit no matter whether it is removed or not.
None of these are known upfront to people holding the phone and pressing the number keys - and thats the point, and thats where the role of OFCOM comes, if they ever cared.

GSM operators like Vodafone, and now O2 and other player Three (3G ) will always tell you upfront that 07744 numbers are NOT free.
Others ( T-mobile, Virgin & Orange) still dont know what could endup as excluded or non-excluded, so you better take your chance and buy their phone.

If you carefully study those above questions, you will understand what(tf) I'm talking about and what is being "exploited" and the reason why I shout at OFCOM/07744 operators in a totally democratic way.

Peace, and have a good day!

HP

redux wrote: »

hpuse, listen very carefully, I shall say this only once - you really don't know !!!!!! you are talking about, and are completely making some things up.

1. In your previous post you said a load of complete bollox about the original use of these numbers, with something about mapping sms (???)

2. I'm not going to put a list of 07744 providers, but there are plenty of such numbers that have been in continual use for a couple of years. Just because some of the providers sometimes publish new numbers does not mean that they disable the old ones.

3. No mobile customer pre-pays any money to the 07744 providers, so they are not suckering in gullible people, only to fly by night with a load of ill-gotten gains.

4. The mobile networks choose whether to have these calls in inclusive minutes, and whilst some have changed policy in the last two years, they do not arbitrarily or carefully change their minds on individual customer's contracts the very month after they joined on an 18 month deal, to exploit the vulnerable - this assertion is pure paranoid invention and !!!!!!.

5. 070 numbers are a different function - personal numbers for forwarding on to the individual's choice of destination, such as a mobile here or even abroad. It is illegal to have revenue-sharing on such numbers. They were first launched quite a while ago, but haven't dropped in price to match mobile tariffs and are now just too expensive, so are no longer included in any mobile contract deals.

6. 07744 and 07755 numbers are mobile numbers that receive termination fees from the caller's network just like any other mobile. A number of calls providers have made arrangements with the company holding and issuing the numbers, such that they provide the callthrough destinations from their share of that revenue. This is exactly akin to the operation of 0844 0845 0870 and 0871 callthrough numbers - which themselves are included in some but not all (and actually fewer) network's inclusive minute packages, which again is network charging policy.

7. Ofcom has some powers on BT pricing and on mobile termination rates (which they've just reduced slightly), but their regulation does not consist of telling mobile networks what their retail tariffs for line rental or call charges should be, or which calls are included in which packages.


The members of these forums want to help each other with useful and factual information. Please don't continue to post nonsense about things you haven't studied in enough detail.

For those networks that don't include such callthrough possibilities from inclusive minutes, there are still other options for fairly cheap calls, from about 0.5p/min to foreign landlines and a few pence a minute for mobiles. The MSE Callchecker has useful information on possibilities, as do frequent threads on here

skybluesaver

I sense a lack of good karma on this post..........

hurrah

hpuse wrote: »

With all respect, if you think it "helps" people by announcing 07744 or 07755 service numbers which inevitably goes out-of-free-minutes on a public forum, same way I think there is "more help" by exposing the cheating tricks employed by these operators to pocket revenue by exploiting a system.

So Martin MSE is wrong to promote its ability to cut your bills then http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/cgi-bin/viewnews.cgi?newsid1105983163,80958,

Ok it dont work from all networks but no one saying it does.Mse could not be more clearer.I quote from his article.

"This system doesn't work on all networks. Below I've listed each network's policy, yet remember the networks don't like you doing this, so things can change. To be safe, always make just a few short calls using this system in the first month, then check whether the access calls were free when you get the bill (or even quicker if you have online bill checking facilities).

If they're free, great, though keep checking your bill each month in case things change. If they're not free, don't use it again.

T-Mobile & Orange. For most tariffs, both allow calls to 07744 numbers as part of the cross network free minute allocations.

O2. It used to allow calls to 07744 numbers as part of the free minutes but has now stopped it. Yet the specialist providers have found a way round this by introducing 0870 access numbers instead, which are, uniquely free on O2. Thus the system works in exactly the same way, just with different access numbers, although currently only Simply-fone, Dial-abroad and You Call World offer it to 02 customers.


Vodafone & Three. Sadly the system no longer works for Vodafone or 3 and most users report being charged for 07744 numbers. Read 'What to do if you can't play the system' for other options.


Other networks. Reports are that it's still fine for other networks. Obviously be vigilant, check your bills each month to ensure it hasn't started to charge."

I really cant see why you have such a big problem with a carefully explained money saving service.

tandeh

HPUSE it must me safe to say you work for a company who has interest in fending off interest from these numbers, by posting nonsense.