NICS Grievance

pepper33

It was only because NAR had given a very negative outlook for me transferring, and someone told him he shouldn't be doing that, as I am frightened enough. I was only pointing out the law, that victimisation can be taken as a grievance. Walk a mile in my shoes, and see how you feel. I am trying to stay positive about things, and in my answers to anyone on any forum, would be positive and not tell them that they might be facing another situation in work.

Indo77

FUNKYDADDIO wrote: »

Pepper, with the greatest of respect it is a public forum and if you are not prepared to accept peoples opinions after asking for them then maybe best not to ask in the first place.
Also your last few words above around "another grievance" ,yet again, dont paint a nice picture of your perspective/outlook and may start folk thinking where fault may lie in the first place...you again are prejudging outcomes and preparing to strike back, as such, without letting due process take its course.

Having worked in the civil service in the past I can see clearly the posts in this thread that follow the usual "civil service" tone. To me it's completely obvious by the language used. Yes pepper has brought the subject up but to me you can clearly see where opinion differs by the usual "Yes Minister" responses from civil servants themselves.

Personally I think that pepper should move on from the crap he/she suffered and get into the new job asap. However it does not help pepper's confidence to be told more or less "the past will follow you". That's complete BS that falls into line with the usual civil service thinking. I no longer work in the NICS but I seen enough to know of the inertia that exists in it.

Pepper should forget about the grievance and not put faith in it even if successful. We all know nothing ever gets done about it except a possible promotion for a line manager. Better to learn and move on...

pepper33

thanks for that support. I know nothing probably will get done, I know of two grievances that were dealt with lately, by demotion, and another that the manager was never allowed to manage staff again. So I don't know what might happen with mine, but it is four pages long, and I will go public with it, if it is not dealt with. I do want it recorded on their files and on mine, that this all has happened, and seemingly workplace stress is in fact an injury, and I am stil waiting for some kind of therapy. I am feeling very concerned about returning to the civil service, as I have never worked in such an organisation, that nothing ever gets done, and they never listen to anyone. You have to force them, by annoying them into action. And yes I do believe there are civil servants on this site, and some very bitter ones, probably managers themselves.

FUNKYDADDIO

Indo77 wrote: »

Having worked in the civil service in the past I can see clearly the posts in this thread that follow the usual "civil service" tone. To me it's completely obvious by the language used. Yes pepper has brought the subject up but to me you can clearly see where opinion differs by the usual "Yes Minister" responses from civil servants themselves.

Personally I think that pepper should move on from the crap he/she suffered and get into the new job asap. However it does not help pepper's confidence to be told more or less "the past will follow you". That's complete BS that falls into line with the usual civil service thinking. I no longer work in the NICS but I seen enough to know of the inertia that exists in it.

Pepper should forget about the grievance and not put faith in it even if successful. We all know nothing ever gets done about it except a possible promotion for a line manager. Better to learn and move on...

I am actually an HR manager for a large private sector organisation. I have been part of many, many grievance situations some founded and some not, so feel adequately qualified to comment, thanks..

Indo77

FUNKYDADDIO wrote: »

I am actually an HR manager for a large private sector organisation. I have been part of many, many grievance situations some founded and some not, so feel adequately qualified to comment, thanks..

Thanks but I wasn't stating you were in the civil service. You misread this because I quoted you.

pepper33

You just wanted to frighten me then, an HR manager should have some empathy, and know the law about victimisation. Some managers just never learn. These forums help ordinary people take managers to court....and use the legal processes, and HR are useless as they are always on management side.

FUNKYDADDIO

I do have sympathy with people in genuine situations pepper but perception plays a big part in grievances as does reasonable belief. A grievance is to rectify a wrong not " to help ordinary people take managers to court". I really hope you can see what I am saying..

stephenni1971

pepper33 wrote: »

You just wanted to frighten me then, an HR manager should have some empathy, and know the law about victimisation. Some managers just never learn. These forums help ordinary people take managers to court....and use the legal processes, and HR are useless as they are always on management side.

You seem to make very sweeping generalised statements and present them as if they are fact. That won't help you here nor in any circumstance where someone is trying to look at your situation from a neutral viewpoint.

These forums help ordinary people take managers to court....and use the legal processes, and HR are useless as they are always on management side.

When you make a statement like that you lose all sympathy from - and I am sure others would feel the same.

pepper33

not going to discuss this any further as I am obviously annoying a lot of people, mine is a genuine grievance, and I am ill and have lost all my confidence even in things I say. HR should be helping me, put a wrong right, not just trying to get me back to work, when I am not well. Maybe it is just our HR Dept.

waltsalt

Oh oh. I reckon there could be a few grievance cases raised against some MSE members. Lol.