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FTBFun

bankhater_1965 wrote: »

is that how you see the real world in your eyes , someone getting £250,000 a week for kicking a ball of air around for a week !! get a bloody grip fgs

What a private company chooses to pays it employees with private money isn't really any of your business, surely?

ukcarper

As a lot of benefits are also paid to working people even if you only earn NMW you are normally better off working.

bankhater_1965

FTBFun wrote: »

What a private company chooses to pays it employees with private money isn't really any of your business, surely?

yes very true, i suppose the only joy i do get from these people who are getting £1 million a month is knowing they are paying child benifit and other benefits to others, not all is bad i guess:rotfl:

bankhater_1965

ukcarper wrote: »

As a lot of benefits are also paid to working people even if you only earn NMW you are normally better off working.

no i disagree, familys will get housing benefit to pay there rent aswell as other payments i guess housing payment can get upto £500 a month or more , also the normal benefits for everyday items , the NMW falls way short of this on £6.08 per hour(£930 per month) , then certain people wonder why they chose benefits over low paid work ,:T
i guess the only help would be working tax credits aswell as the benefits paid for both situations and thats going to change in 2014 to a universal paid benefit
if say you are better off working by a measly £100-£300 per month that will most likely be disolved on transport back and to to work every month or £300-£500 per month on childcare costs, not trying to support benefits for people intentionaly choosing benefits over work but thats how things are
unfortunatly it is not about pride or whatever , its about paying bills and putting food on the table in the best way possible

Percy1983

bankhater_1965 wrote: »

no i disagree, familys will get housing benefit to pay there rent aswell as other payments i guess housing payment can get upto £500 a month or more , also the normal benefits for everyday items , the NMW falls way short of this on £6.08 per hour(£930 per month) , then certain people wonder why they chose benefits over low paid work ,:T
i guess the only help would be working tax credits aswell as the benefits paid for both situations and thats going to change in 2014 to a universal paid benefit
if say you are better off working by a measly £100-£300 per month that will most likely be disolved on transport back and to to work every month or £300-£500 per month on childcare costs, not trying to support benefits for people intentionaly choosing benefits over work but thats how things are
unfortunatly it is not about pride or whatever , its about paying bills and putting food on the table in the best way possible

I will agree half the problem is the margins at the bottom of the pay scale are close and I can see why people do choose benefits.

On the flipside early on in my career I was earning less than I could have in benefits, but I stuck at it and now I earn a lot more than benefits. Do people not have long term goals anymore?

bankhater_1965

Percy1983 wrote: »

I will agree half the problem is the margins at the bottom of the pay scale are close and I can see why people do choose benefits.

On the flipside early on in my career I was earning less than I could have in benefits, but I stuck at it and now I earn a lot more than benefits. Do people not have long term goals anymore?

yes all well and good if you are a individual with no dependants otherwise as you also say it sucks

Percy1983

bankhater_1965 wrote: »

yes all well and good if you are a individual with no dependants otherwise as you also say it sucks

Well I made the decision not to have such depenants until I could support them, so I took the low pay and turned it into bigger pay, now I can afford children.

ukcarper

bankhater_1965 wrote: »

no i disagree, familys will get housing benefit to pay there rent aswell as other payments i guess housing payment can get upto £500 a month or more , also the normal benefits for everyday items , the NMW falls way short of this on £6.08 per hour(£930 per month) , then certain people wonder why they chose benefits over low paid work ,:T
i guess the only help would be working tax credits aswell as the benefits paid for both situations and thats going to change in 2014 to a universal paid benefit
if say you are better off working by a measly £100-£300 per month that will most likely be disolved on transport back and to to work every month or £300-£500 per month on childcare costs, not trying to support benefits for people intentionaly choosing benefits over work but thats how things are
unfortunatly it is not about pride or whatever , its about paying bills and putting food on the table in the best way possible

I think you might be surprised working people can claim housing benefit, council tax benefit, working tax credit, child tax credit and child benefit and as I said are normally better off.

It might only be £300 a month but even if is you are still better off and if everybody adopted the attitude that it's not worth it where would we be.

Itismehonest

ukcarper wrote: »

It might only be £300 a month but even if is you are still better off and if everybody adopted the attitude that it's not worth it where would we be.

Pretty much where we are right now, sadly, as far as I can see.

bankhater_1965

ukcarper wrote: »

I think you might be surprised working people can claim housing benefit, council tax benefit, working tax credit, child tax credit and child benefit and as I said are normally better off.

It might only be £300 a month but even if is you are still better off and if everybody adopted the attitude that it's not worth it where would we be.

i would prob guess you would have to take a job at £500 more than benifits or maybe more to benefit by the time you have included petrol to work and back say £200-£250 a month and childcare costs aswell , i dont those people would be any better off if it was below that figure personaly
you do have to take those into consideration
and i am working on net pay not gross , so this would have to be on £8-£10 per hour gross which is a rarity in the job centre and thats the rate of skilled work not manual
like you say it might only be £300 per month but if your no better off as going to work costs you money ! i dont think its so much about the attitude but more of which pays the most to pay bills and have food on the table