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ukcarper

bankhater_1965 wrote: »

i would prob guess you would have to take a job at £500 more than benifits or maybe more to benefit by the time you have included petrol to work and back say £200-£250 a month and childcare costs aswell , i dont those people would be any better off if it was below that figure personaly
you do have to take those into consideration
and i am working on net pay not gross , so this would have to be on £8-£10 per hour gross which is a rarity in the job centre and thats the rate of skilled work not manual
like you say it might only be £300 per month but if your no better off as going to work costs you money ! i dont think its so much about the attitude but more of which pays the most to pay bills and have food on the table

I have read most of this thread and have come to the conclusion you are just having a laugh I can’t see how you are being serious. £200 a month on petrol that’s 50 miles a day in a car that does 30mph.

bankhater_1965

ukcarper wrote: »

I have read most of this thread and have come to the conclusion you are just having a laugh I can’t see how you are being serious. £200 a month on petrol that’s 50 miles a day in a car that does 30mph.

i personaly worked 20 miles away so a 40 mile round trip per day cost me about £45-£50 per week , whats so silly about that ?
200 miles for £45 is about right on the average car at nearly £7 a gallon on rush hour city traffic , what are your calculations ?

ukcarper

bankhater_1965 wrote: »

i personaly worked 20 miles away so a 40 mile round trip cost me about £45-£50 per week , whats so silly about that ?
200 miles for £45 is about right on the average car at nearly £7 a gallon on rush hour city traffic , what are your calculations ?

Lets take a couple with 3 kids paying £200 a week rent and £35 council tax.

If they are both not working they would get £558 a week.

If one earns £240 a week roughly a week a minimum wage .£213 take home + £432 in benefit’s a total of £645 an extra £87 a week.

　

Perhaps the £323 a week the unemployed couple get after housing costs is to generous I think it is.

FTBFun

bankhater_1965 wrote: »

i personaly worked 14 miles away so a 30 mile round trip cost me about £45 per week , whats so silly about that ?
140 miles for £45 is about right on the average car at nearly £7 a gallon on rush hour city traffic , what are your calculations ?

£6 a gallon roughly at the moment for fuel

£45/£6 = 7.5 gallons

140/7.5 gallons = 19 MPG

What are you driving? Even factoring in stationary traffic that's still quite a low MPG. Mine does about 40 MPG and its 7 years old. (think it comes to 35 in London!).

bankhater_1965

ukcarper wrote: »

Lets take a couple with 3 kids paying £200 a week rent and £35 council tax.

If they are both not working they would get £558 a week.

If one earns £240 a week roughly a week a minimum wage .£213 take home + £432 in benefit’s a total of £645 an extra £87 a week.

　

Perhaps the £323 a week the unemployed couple get after housing costs is to generous I think it is.

you fail to mention the fuel topic , i guess i maybe correct in my calculation ,the £87 per week extra would soley be disolved in fuel and childcare costs, i guess you dont watch the news pr read papers this has been a debate regards to childcare costs and not worth going to work as its to expensive, like i say even tho you personaly find im HAVING A LAUGH i still say some familys need at least £500 per month more than the overall benefit amount to just break even and them jobs are just not there unfortunatly , i guess next time you belittle my calculations i would look forward to any correction in proving me incorrect that way your comment becomes constructive :T
i also suggest that benefit claimers do not set the rates for benefits i suggest your anger should be pointed at the goverment who regulates the amounts
i am just working off the reality of the situation

GeorgeHowell

Jobs not being there does not justify those without one living as well, or better, than many of those who have one.

ukcarper

bankhater_1965 wrote: »

you fail to mention the fuel topic , i guess i maybe correct in my calculation ,the £87 per week extra would soley be disolved in fuel and childcare costs, i guess you dont watch the news pr read papers this has been a debate regards to childcare costs and not worth going to work as its to expensive, like i say even tho you personaly find im HAVING A LAUGH i still say some familys need at least £500 per month more than the overall benefit amount to just break even and them jobs are just not there unfortunatly , i guess next time you belittle my calculations i would look forward to any correction in proving me incorrect that way your comment becomes constructive :T
i also suggest that benefit claimers do not set the rates for benefits i suggest your anger should be pointed at the goverment who regulates the amounts
i am just working off the reality of the situation

It’s a minimum wage job so we are talking stacking shelves in local supermarket or something like that. In an care doing 30 mpg (a ford focus it does nearly 40 mpg) 40 miles would use 1.3 gallons £8 £40 a week but how many people on minimum wage travel 20 miles to work. You would not need child car as the person who did not work would look after kids.

bankhater_1965

FTBFun wrote: »

£6 a gallon roughly at the moment for fuel

£45/£6 = 7.5 gallons

140/7.5 gallons = 19 MPG

What are you driving? Even factoring in stationary traffic that's still quite a low MPG. Mine does about 40 MPG and its 7 years old. (think it comes to 35 in London!).

its 200 miles / 7.5 = 26.5 mpg if you read my post , you cannot argue with an average vehicle on that mpg in traffic for a 40 mile round trip , i am working on the average of a 1 ltr to a 3 ltr petrol and diesel consumptions

i personaly have 1.6 alfa which in city does about 28 mpg at a push, then my 2.0 turbo diesel transit would be down to about 23 mpg if im lucky, or am i just imagining these calculations ?

ukcarper

GeorgeHowell wrote: »

Jobs not being there does not justify those without one living as well, or better, than many of those who have one.

I think it’s a waste of time discussing this with him as he seems to have the same morals than the bankers he hates.

bankhater_1965

ukcarper wrote: »

It’s a minimum wage job so we are talking stacking shelves in local supermarket or something like that. In an care doing 30 mpg (a ford focus it does nearly 40 mpg) 40 miles would use 1.3 gallons £8 £40 a week but how many people on minimum wage travel 20 miles to work. You would not need child car as the person who did not work would look after kids.

maybe so , skilled work pays no more than £10 per hour gross and manual nite shift work in supermarkets pay £7 per hour gross , take a walk down to your local job centre i think you may have a shock these figures are very close to reality and the £10 per hour work isnt avaible as much as the nmw as you would expect