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bankhater_1965

Quasar wrote: »

Just because the rich paying little tax is wrong (imho), doesn't mean that choosing to live off the state is right. Both need to be addressed quickly, if this country is not to go bankrupt sooner rather than later.

thats the problem tax avoidance by the wealthy aparently is legal but people slate the benifit claimers that is also legal , i dont agree with either where benifits can be claim falsley, but people cannot slate 1 without the other which has happend , alot of people are forced to live off the state , can you not see that ? and how they spend that money has nothing to do with us , just like the bonuses that city people get to buy there 3rd or 4th house in barbados ,

FTBFun

bankhater_1965 wrote: »

i myself hate paying tax because it goes to the greedy bankers to prop up there bonuses and pays the imberseal people in goverment to finance silly wars abroad that have nothing to do with us, iv paid my 30 years in to finance my state pension NI personaly im not bothered if i dont pay another penny either in tax or NI

Is this related to Ronseal? Except for it doesn't do exactly what it says on the tin.

bankhater_1965

Percy1983 wrote: »

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i can see your one of my followers

Quasar

bankhater_1965 wrote: »

thats the problem tax avoidance by the wealthy aparently is legal but people slate the benifit claimers that is also legal , i dont agree with either where benifits can be claim falsley, but people cannot slate 1 without the other which has happend , alot of people are forced to live off the state , can you not see that ?

I can see that there are many people who can't find work or cannot work for health reasons. I do not begrudge them one penny.

However I can also see that there are many who choose not to work because the state feeds them and houses them and by inertia encourages to stay put and not even look. Can YOU not see that?

bankhater_1965

wotsthat wrote: »

You remind me of someone else that posts on here.

Is this your first username?

omg there cannot be a bankhater 2 is there , copycat

bankhater_1965

Quasar wrote: »

I can see that there are many people who can't find work or cannot work for health reasons. I do not begrudge them one penny.

However I can also see that there are many who choose not to work because the state feeds them and houses them and by inertia encourages to stay put and not even look. Can YOU not see that?

yes i certanly can , and im in noway biased as you see by previos comments, theres alot of people that choose benefits because the wage that is on offer would not cover the cost of basic living like claiming benifits can , that is wrong and is purley down to goverment failure and no meens the fault of any benefit claimer,a good example here is the shortage of job applications regards to the olympics ,the work in no doubt is poorly paid ,BUT what i am saying you cannot blame people for making the choice to claim benifits based on this calculation
also i dont agree when goverments play numbers with these people near to election times, transporting them from one benifit to another at a price to the taxpayer just to fiddle unemployment figures

Quasar

bankhater_1965 wrote: »

yes i certanly can , and im in noway biased as you see by previos comments, theres alot of people that choose benifits because the wage that is on offer would not cover the cost of basic living like claiming benifits can , that is wrong , BUT what i am saying you cannot blame people for making the choice to claim benifits based on this calculation
also i dont agree when goverments play numbers with these people near to election times, transporting them from from benifit to another at a price to the taxpayer just to fiddle unemployment figures

Yes I CAN blame people for not having the pride and commitment to work. A low wage doesn't have to last forever. Young people have always started on low wages and then progressed according to their ability. Working and improving skills will see better income materialising.

Your way of seeing it is that, unless you get a good wage from the word go, it's not worth making any effort and it's better for the state (aka the taxpayer) to keep them. That's the ethics of the blinkered who believe money grows on trees. Trouble is that there are more and more of them as they grow up and follow in their parent's [STRIKE]footsteps[/STRIKE] couch prints.

bankhater_1965

Quasar wrote: »

Yes I CAN blame people for not having the pride and commitment to work. A low wage doesn't have to last forever. Young people have always started on low wages and then progressed according to their ability. Working and improving skills will see better income materialising.

Your way of seeing it is that, unless you get a good wage from the word go, it's not worth making any effort and it's better for the state (aka the taxpayer) to keep them. That's the ethics of the blinkered who believe money grows on trees. Trouble is that there are more and more of them as they grow up and follow in their parent's [STRIKE]footsteps[/STRIKE] couch prints.

perhaps when i left school yes agree when apprentaships were plenty, but that was then , it certanly isnt the situation now, working and improving skills is all well if theres a job to go to !! its not really encouraging anymore is it, people really are not bothered anymore with that , its all about what income is coming in , no matter how they get it either benefits or going to work for it, and personaly everyone is to blame for that , how do want certain people to behave when they see bankers getting massive bonuses and footballers getting £250,000 a week and so on , greed has been bred in society and is here to stay

RenovationMan

Quasar wrote: »

Yes I CAN blame people for not having the pride and commitment to work. A low wage doesn't have to last forever. Young people have always started on low wages and then progressed according to their ability. Working and improving skills will see better income materialising.

Your way of seeing it is that, unless you get a good wage from the word go, it's not worth making any effort and it's better for the state (aka the taxpayer) to keep them. That's the ethics of the blinkered who believe money grows on trees. Trouble is that there are more and more of them as they grow up and follow in their parent's [STRIKE]footsteps[/STRIKE] couch prints.

What I have found astonishing over the past few weeks of reading posts on this forum is the number of contributors who seem to think that wealth somehow appears from thin air rather than being earned and that anyone who is doing well hasn't had a period where they were doing OK preceeded by a period when they were scratching along (and so can't understand what its like to be poor).

The reality is that people like to have self-confirmation that they are doing badly with their finances or badly in their careers, not because they are lazy or spendthrifts but because of the 'man'. In the words of Homer Simpson "This is everybody's fault but mine".

Quasar

bankhater_1965 wrote: »

perhaps when i left school yes agree when apprentaships were plenty, but that was then , it certanly isnt the situation now, working and improving skills is all well if theres a job to go to !! its not really encouraging anymore is it, people really are not bothered anymore with that , its all about what income is coming in , no matter how they get it either benefits or going to work for it, and personaly everyone is to blame for that , how do want certain people to behave when they see bankers getting massive bonuses and footballers getting £250,000 a week and so on , greed has been bred in society and is here to stay

Then the powers that be will have to change this mindset by cutting benefits to subsistence levels, and be done with xbox, plasma TV etc level. There will be riots, but damnation lies more the other way.