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lostinrates

MacMickster wrote: »

My understanding is that functioning alcoholics generally tend to remain so for very long periods, and strive to hang on to their job as that is what funds their addiction.

When it reaches the stage that the illness/addiction has progressed to the point that they can no longer function and consequently lose their job, then this is when the addiction takes over completely and they will spend their money on alcohol at the expense of anything and everything else.

I cerainly agree this is a liklihood for many but Some remain functioning through out a career into retirement and never seek help nor become a statistic.

Tiddlywinks

RenovationMan wrote: »

I saw a documentary where many low income families had the priority of 'Dad's fags' over food for the kids.

"*cough, cough* It's me only pleasure in life! *cough*"

Don't forget the huge TVs, latest games consoles and large leather sofas... how do they fund those and why do they need them?

On an LBC radio phone-in a few months ago, a kid of about 17 called in to say that he had taken part in the riots because he needed more 'tech'. He absolutely believed that he was living in poverty because he didn't have an xbox 360 all to himself - no sense of having to save to buy it and no understanding of how there will always be people that have more than you. He genuinely kept going on about how hard done by he was.

When he was asked about working.. he said there was no way he would get a 'zombie' job in MacDonalds as it was degrading! Thinking about that call still makes me angry even now.

His career choice was benefits!

Now, myself and OH both work full time but we only changed our old CRT TV for a new one late last year when the old one gave up. My sofa is 30 years old and just gets recovered every few years... perhaps that's because we have to fund it ourselves or possibly because we were brought up knowing that TVs and games consoles etc are not a priority in life - they are nice to have but there is more to life than that.

When did so many people start believing that they deserved everything whilst giving nothing in return?

bankhater_1965

business_man wrote: »

Only if you ever went to school you would've known something, needless to say I stopped reading after benifits and not being able to find a full stop in your para.

PS: UK is no where near the 4th richest country in the world, number 4 stands out and got my attention.

even at 7th place this should not be happening , my spelling is rubbish so what im ok financaily so it dont matter , i think being 47 i have a good judgement rather to a peice of shoddy paper with letters after a name personaly

MacMickster

Tiddlywinks wrote: »

When did so many people start believing that they deserved everything whilst giving nothing in return?

Maybe it would have been better for MSE to campaign for compulsory social responsibility lessons in schools rather than financial awareness lessons.

bankhater_1965

Tiddlywinks wrote: »

Don't forget the huge TVs, latest games consoles and large leather sofas... how do they fund those and why do they need them?

On an LBC radio phone-in a few months ago, a kid of about 17 called in to say that he had taken part in the riots because he needed more 'tech'. He absolutely believed that he was living in poverty because he didn't have an xbox 360 all to himself - no sense of having to save to buy it and no understanding of how there will always be people that have more than you. He genuinely kept going on about how hard done by he was.

When he was asked about working.. he said there was no way he would get a 'zombie' job in MacDonalds as it was degrading! Thinking about that call still makes me angry even now.

His career choice was benefits!

Now, myself and OH both work full time but we only changed our old CRT TV for a new one late last year when the old one gave up. My sofa is 30 years old and just gets recovered every few years... perhaps that's because we have to fund it ourselves or possibly because we were brought up knowing that TVs and games consoles etc are not a priority in life - they are nice to have but there is more to life than that.

When did so many people start believing that they deserved everything whilst giving nothing in return?

its all well saying this , BUT who are the fools who pay them??????
if you voted tory,labour,or any other silly party , stop moaning because you voted for there policies

Percy1983

lostinrates wrote: »

Obviously this is not to be dismissed as a very real issue in a depressing hner of households (i think it happens in earning households too, and not always smoking or drinking being the issue) But not sure that the simple answer of 'give'em less to stop 'em drinking/smoking' is the answer. If the habit already takes precidence over food then where would the line be where these reprobates suddenly prioritise feeding, adaquately clothing and in all other ways caring for their kids?

Edit , tbc, neither do i see it as a jusitfiation for aociety to be more provident!

Surely if you give them enough to feed and clothe their children and they don't and spend it on fags/booze/video games, that must be child abuse.

ILW

Percy1983 wrote: »

Surely if you give them enough to feed and clothe their children and they don't and spend it on fags/booze/video games, that must be child abuse.

Apparently, one of the biggest sins in the world is to be judgemental though.

bankhater_1965

PaulF81 wrote: »

Sorry, but if everyone had the choice, work or starve, they would work. Everything I have seen whilst spending time in the third world supports this view.

and that would just encourage stealing , muggings and firearms etc, not possible

Tiddlywinks

bankhater_1965 wrote: »

its all well saying this , BUT who are the fools who pay them??????
if you voted tory,labour,or any other silly party , stop moaning because you voted for there policies

Yes, my money (and everyone else who pays tax) does go to subsidise some families / individuals that have no intention of supporting themselves. We are not fools, we are law abiding citizens who are complying with our tax requirements... If I could choose how my money was spent then I would. It's naive to suggest that we can just change things by voting differently - we are too far down the line now.

You say I voted for these policies - did I?

Which party would you recommend (other than the ones you feel are 'silly') to sort this mess out?

I won't stop commenting on this subject as I feel very strongly that our society's values are being eroded; and don't bother telling me to stop moaning as it is falling on deaf ears.

lostinrates

MacMickster wrote: »

Maybe it would have been better for MSE to campaign for compulsory social responsibility lessons in schools rather than financial awareness lessons.

Something that i learned to start thinking about more from this forum is that in fact a lot of mse is pretty socially irresponsible.

It seema to me the two lessons could go hand in hand, why and when you might spend more alongside how to be financially aware, and when need be, frugal.