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bankhater_1965

RenovationMan wrote: »

I saw a documentary where many low income families had the priority of 'Dad's fags' over food for the kids.

"*cough, cough* It's me only pleasure in life! *cough*"

you soley pick on the unemployed by your comments , have you not forgot how much the wealthy have screwed this country up and cost the country billions , prob alot more than we will ever no compared to the people who you say prefer a fag to a meal etc, the wealthy have blatanly avoided paying there taxes in what ever possible meens, and also the educated people have made a right mess of things dont you agree,these are the scum not the others, how does this compare to the low lifes you mention ? thers no mention of these damm right hypercrital scum that in my opinion have cost this country alot and have brought the country to its kness and now wipe the floor with them(benifit claimers) blaming some of the prob of the countrys finance on them is utter RUBBISH , if we sorted these people out first by starting at the top instead of at the bottom ,a big improvement should happen

lostinrates

ILW wrote: »

Apparently, one of the biggest sins in the world is to be judgemental though.

Not to me, for one. I find the ideas of being totally apologist hugely damaging. No point though in making judgement on a misunderstanding or summation of the situations, because that will not solve a problem eother.

Neither is it beneificial to pretend there are no down sides to tough judgement and implementation. I am pro cutting down on the 'social drain' and remain pro a lower tax higher personal repsonsibility culture. But i feel that way in acceptance that this would not be pain free. While in my stance i feel becoming more self provident would be to the tremendous personal benefit of many, i accept that some risk being teod underfoot in such a system. If this is not acknowledge how can safegyards be put in place. To admit a flaw in a system is not to withhold judgement.

But judgement is considered awful, yet another social taboo, where as being judgemental about the judgemental slips through!

Maybe these issues are so hard because they touch on so many of the things we as a society, or a teanche of a society, dare not say.

bankhater_1965

Tiddlywinks wrote: »

Yes, my money (and everyone else who pays tax) does go to subsidise some families / individuals that have no intention of supporting themselves. We are not fools, we are law abiding citizens who are complying with our tax requirements... If I could choose how my money was spent then I would. It's naive to suggest that we can just change things by voting differently - we are too far down the line now.

You say I voted for these policies - did I?

Which party would you recommend (other than the ones you feel are 'silly') to sort this mess out?

I won't stop commenting on this subject as I feel very strongly that our society's values are being eroded; and don't bother telling me to stop moaning as it is falling on deaf ears.

personaly there is no party to vote for , thats why i do not vote

RenovationMan

bankhater_1965 wrote: »

you soley pick on the unemployed by your comments , have you not forgot how much the wealthy have screwed this country up and cost the country billions , prob alot more than we will ever no compared to the people who you say prefer a fag to a meal etc, the wealthy have blatanly avoided paying there taxes in what ever possible meens, and also the educated people have made a right mess of things dont you agree,these are the scum not the others, how does this compare to the low lifes you mention ? thers no mention of these damm right hypercrital scum that in my opinion have cost this country alot and have brought the country to its kness and now wipe the floor with them blaming some of the prob of the countrys finance on them is utter RUBBISH , if we sorted these people out first by starting at the top instead of at the bottom ,a big improvement should happen

Well, apart from not even mentioning 'the unemployed' anywhere in my post, lets just nip your rant in the bud and say that perhaps you need to take a deep breath and then look at the context of my post. Indeed look at the post about priorities that I was replying to:

lostinrates wrote: »

I think its clear that in many cases some prople prioritise differently. Another taboo to bust is the silly saying that parents always put their children first. They do not, and this might include people who spend benifits or part of a low income on disproportional recreational spends (including alcohol).

Hmnn, no mention of any of the stuff you were ranting about. Or do you perhaps think that instead of passing a comment on a single issue raised by someone else, I should write a PHD style thesis on life, the universe and everything? :rotfl:

Anyhoo, you're clearly a sockie and so another one to add to the Ignore list.

bankhater_1965

i dont see the differance between the benifit cheats or genuine benifit claimers compared to the wealthy tax avoidence cheats , only the tax avoidance wealthy cheats are rewarded for failure ,which i see as far bigger costly problem as to try and screw someone out of £100-£500 a month on benifits regardless of how they spend it etc

Percy1983

bankhater_1965 wrote: »

i dont see the differance between the benifit cheats compared to the wealthy tax avoidence cheats , only the tax avoidance wealthy cheats are rewarded for failure ,which i see as far bigger costly problem as to try and screw someone out of £100-£500 a month on benifits etc

I do see quite a difference, the wealthy earn money and then try to keep as much of it as they can, if this is done legally then that is fair enough, I do agree some loopholes should be closed.

Meanwhile somebody decides to do nothing but wants everything.

I see a big difference.

Why don't you vote for a party that will sort the loopholes.

bankhater_1965

Percy1983 wrote: »

I do see quite a difference, the wealthy earn money and then try to keep as much of it as they can, if this is done legally then that is fair enough, I do agree some loopholes should be closed.

Meanwhile somebody decides to do nothing but wants everything.

I see a big difference.

Why don't you vote for a party that will sort the loopholes.

what about being paid heavily for failure and i meen £millions , does that not offset the differance maybe , the wealthy are full of coruption, we only no whats come to light at the moment but im confidence theres a lot more out there to be found
regards to voting for a party who will shut the loopholes for the rich can you recommend 1 ?
ps im going in my jacuzzi in the pouring rain in my back garden with a beer , will catchup later

Itismehonest

bankhater_1965 wrote: »

i dont see the differance between the benifit cheats or genuine benifit claimers compared to the wealthy tax avoidence cheats , only the tax avoidance wealthy cheats are rewarded for failure ,which i see as far bigger costly problem as to try and screw someone out of £100-£500 a month on benifits regardless of how they spend it etc

Tax avoidance is legal.
Ask how many on MSE have, for instance, an ISA.
Tax evasion & benefit fraud are both illegal.
There's a big difference.

All those evading paying tax should get the full force of the law thrown at them as should benefit fraudsters.

Conrad

bankhater_1965 wrote: »

what about being paid heavily for failure and i meen £millions , does that not offset the differance maybe , the wealthy are full of coruption,

I do agree the wealthy are bloated with corruption, often so embedded and subbtle we don't really frame it as corruption.

But the reason welfare concerns me more is the damage done to children living in households where no one ever works. These kids - millions of em, end up with severly stunted outlooks, a dimmed horizon.

Endemic welfare slowly poisons and degrades society on many levels, for example it makes someone like me resent paying Tax because I see with my own eyes horrendus endemic welfare abuse. It certainly isn't a minoirty fringe.

Also I cannot stand self pity where people get this sense they simply cannot work when others with far worse disability do work with dignity. A huge proportion of those on welfare are simply so wrapped up in thier own self pity that they've fallen for thier own charade.

You can see this same dynamic in action by observing for example a PS worker with a leg in plaster. They typcially will have weeks off to recover and yet when I was in plaster I only had 2 days off. I detest this low level corruption.

lostinrates

Ps worker? Oh public sector.


Whether you can work with your leg in plaster, surely is more about job (desk or not) location (ease of access) and transport.....if you work so far away that it will cost more in a taxi than what you earn then the long term benefit of going in (job progression for example, or job retention) would have to be a significant motivator.