MSE News: Budget airline Wizz Air to charge for hand luggage

SaveTheEuro

NFH wrote: »

See Article 23 of Regulation (EC) No 1008/2008 of 24 September 2008.


Retailers don't have to itemise the amount of VAT on VAT receipts below £100. When selling to a consumer, they don't even have to give you a VAT receipt unless you ask for one.

Article 23 is a definition of a "management account" referring to a periodic statement of income and costs.

Article 16 looks more relevant. It suggests a breakdown of price is unnecessary because "the final price....should at all times be indicated, inclusive of all taxes, charges and fees."

I may be missing something here but maybe rpm-84 will point out the law that requires airlines to show tax separately.

SaveTheEuro

I am pleased to discover that a Sainsbury's carrier bag fits the dimension for free baggage. I shall store it away as my preferred form of luggage for the next time I fly Wizz.

NFH

SaveTheEuro wrote: »

Article 23 is a definition of a "management account" referring to a periodic statement of income and costs.

Article 16 looks more relevant. It suggests a breakdown of price is unnecessary because "the final price....should at all times be indicated, inclusive of all taxes, charges and fees."

I may be missing something here but maybe rpm-84 will point out the law that requires airlines to show tax separately.

No, you were reading paragraph 23 of Article 2 (Definitions), not Article 23. See Article 23 on pages 12 and 13.

SaveTheEuro

NFH wrote: »

No, you were reading paragraph 23 of Article 2 (Definitions), not Article 23. See Article 23 on pages 12 and 13.

Got ya. Thanks very much. An interesting read.

callum9999

epm-84 wrote: »

I don't understand why you're so keen on defending a random number that Ryanair pluck out of the air as a check-in fee. It makes no sense and as I said originally Ryanair didn't include it in the advertised fare until they were forced to.

Here's an example of a Liverpool to Dublin flight in October:
Cost: £16.00
(Online Check-in £6.00)

Now a Dublin to Liverpool flight in October:
Cost €20.00
(Online Check-in €6.00)

Current exchange rate is 1.25 so the fare is exactly the same but the on-line check in fee is a different proportion of the fares for different currencies. If the actual cost to Ryanair is €6.00 then it should be £4.80 when paying in pounds.

I'm not "defending" anything - I'm pointing out how mind-numbingly ludicrous your argument is...

The actual cost to Ryanair is UTTERLY irrelevant. A £16 fare comprising of a £10 basic rate and £6 checkin fee is EXACTLY THE SAME as a £16 all-in fare.

Give me a SINGLE negative consequence the consumer faces with this fee being seperate... And I couldn't care less what they allegedly (it really wouldn't surprise me if that's true - but you haven't provided a single source saying that, and I personally can't find one either) used to do in some far away time - that has no relevance to my flight leaving this year...

NFH

callum9999 wrote: »

The actual cost to Ryanair is UTTERLY irrelevant. A £16 fare comprising of a £10 basic rate and £6 checkin fee is EXACTLY THE SAME as a £16 all-in fare.

It is relevant with regard to Article 23 of Regulation (EC) No 1008/2008 of 24 September 2008. Ryanair's breakdown of the total fare appears to be false, potentially breaching subsections (a) to (d). I also wonder whether Ryanair's stating of zero tax is a breach when it offers very cheap fares; it still has to pay the tax to the government.

callum9999

NFH wrote: »

It is relevant with regard to Article 23 of Regulation (EC) No 1008/2008 of 24 September 2008. Ryanair's breakdown of the total fare appears to be false, potentially breaching subsections (a) to (d). I also wonder whether Ryanair's stating of zero tax is a breach when it offers very cheap fares; it still has to pay the tax to the government.

What law specifies that airlines aren't allowed to make too much profit from their charges? If such a law actually exists, which it doesn't, I'm sure they'd be far more interested in their inflated hold luggage charges. Particularly as they are increased during the high season - does baggage cost any more to process at that time? I doubt it.

You make a very valid point on the taxes - but yet again, I really really couldn't care less. If anything, I'd find the inclusion of a UK APD of £13 on my £9 flight rather confusing so I'm pretty glad they don't do that.

jpsartre

About time something like this was introduced. I hope other airlines implement a similiar system.

NFH

callum9999 wrote: »

You make a very valid point on the taxes - but yet again, I really really couldn't care less. If anything, I'd find the inclusion of a UK APD of £13 on my £9 flight rather confusing so I'm pretty glad they don't do that.

I do find it odd that Ryanair, in some cases, chooses to inflate its own fare and state that the tax is zero. It's more in their commercial interest to show that the government is taking that amount rather than making Ryanair's share look like more than it is.

hodges123

Unfortunately I fly with wizz quite often and they are the only airline that does my route at a low cost, looks like ill be finding a new cabin bag then. Any one got any ideas ?