Preparedness for when

pollyanna_26

Maryb I can't say I am indifferent . The vote has occupied far too much of my headspace recently too be healthy . We all share concerns regarding the nhs and many other services . I am aware the human rights act has been diluted a great deal but I would not like to see it limited to members only . My youngest has had serious health problems all her life . She had to leave formal education in early senior school and I home educated her , local education could not provide suitable tuition and it was an eu funded tutor who fleshed out her education with it tuition , proper photography skills and many other subjects . She outskilled him eventually in i.t. and I will thank him and the eu for evermore .
The problem is the HOC is not what it used to be . The notion is that your role is to work for the country and your voters has all but died out . It now in the main resembles a really pathetic comedy show which nobody laughs at . It is default mode now to hurl insults back and forth and achieve nothing . Probably the only job in the world where you wouldn't be out the door for behaving in such a fashion .
With a few notable exceptions , one of whom has stood despite his advanced age and poor health alongside the Jr Doctors in cold and wet weather , there are only a handful I personally would be happy to breathe the same air as . It is Animal Farm they are almost all looking the same . For the 1st time we don't seem to have a united coherent party to back .
I don't want me or mine or any one else left to the mercy of the present set up so until someone at least tries to get a fairer deal from the EU I will feel adrift but will vote remain .
polly

milasavesmoney

Our southern border is extremely porous and under manned by an administration who has refused for the last eight years to supply the needed Border Patrol agents to man the various sectors.
The Boarder Patrol Agency has endorsed Trump :eek: because of his 'build a wall' rhetoric.
This is the first time in the agency's history that they have endorsed any candidate. They view him as being extremely serious about the need to secure our borders. (basically southern because Canadians don't tend to try and sneak in )
I understand people coming in for economic opportunity but it also leaves it open for drug runners (huge problem) and potential terrorists.
Mrs.L I share your concern for our countries. Ranchers have found maps in Arabic on their land.

GreyQueen

I've often thought of the idiocy of having OCD levels of security at a country's airports, security at seaports and yet having a free-for-all at land borders like the US-Mexican border and around the UK's coasts.

One of my UK-NZ trips was via LAX and, even though we were only disembarking from the Air NZ plane for 2 hours so it could be re-fuelled and re-provisioned, and were in a small lounge airside, we were put through retinal scanning and had to have our index fingers electronically finger-printed.

I was pretty annoyed at having my data in the US system and wouldn't have flown Air NZ if I'd known it would happen (my earlier trip was Sinagpore Airlines via Changi and far superior). And I'd embarked on my journey from a safe and allied country and felt I was treated like a potential criminal, yet any Jose, Sanchez or Maria can stroll over from South and Central America..........

I'm voting out. My reasoning is that I am in a part of the country where public resources, including the ones like my own personal GP practice, are being stretched to breaking point by EU migration. And as a council officer, I have a grandstand view of the problems.

At least 10% of social homes are being taken by non-Brits (and we're needing translators for some of them) whilst Brits in poor-paid and insecure employment are in want and need. Some of the needy Brits are friends and acquaintances of mine. At my GP, you need 3 weeks' notice to get an appt since they had to start putting all the signage up in about 10 other languages than English.

In education, we're having to place primary school children (whose parents do not have a car) in schools 4 miles across the city. In my hometown and my city, you walk around in a constant wash of eastern European languages and small change on the pavements is as likely to be Polish as sterling.

My hometown is one where people are joking bleakly that they want to leave and go live somewhere that English is the first language. We've had squatter camps of destitute EU citizens around the woods and commons by the town, in clear breach of local by-laws and the EU rules on mobility. We've also had rapes and murders perpetrated by migrants.

I feel that I am being crowded out of my own country by too many foriegners and that many of the poorest in society are having their life chances in terms of housing, education and access to resources damaged by huge influx of people. !!!!!!, we've even got Lithuanian gangsters...!

mardatha

I'm voting out as well GQ, although we've got none of these problems up here apart from the Poles who seem to be very hard working decent people. But this is an island and it's overcrowded already. I don't turst Germany at all and never will - and apart from that, it's just another lot of over-paid and over-fed politicians. Totally removed from normal commonsense and reality.

pollyanna_26

GQ I agree totally with every word of your post but cannot imagine that the powers that be here would restore or strengthen any of the services we once took for granted . Too many things have been lost , abused or devalued and I cannot see any with the integrity to do the proper thing . So I'm still with the remain school unless almost every politician has mind altering surgery
polly

maryb

Pollyanna, I shouldn't have said indifferent. I think disillusioned is probably nearer the mark.

My two girls will struggle to afford a little box to live in even with help from us. Dire warnings about a fall in house prices if we leave just make me think 'bring it on!' I am horrified that our children are having to take on 35 year mortgages because supply cannot keep pace with demand, they will be debt slaves forever.

And when supply does trickle in it is snapped up by buy to let investors, many of them non resident, which further reduces the pool of available properties and drives up prices. I'm not talking about hands on landlords with one or two properties, I'm talking about gentlemen from points East buying up whole developments of flats before they have even been built.

Our house was well within the inheritance tax threshold when we bought it. If we were to fall under the proverbial tomorrow a big chunk would go to the Treasury. And that is not why I took packed lunches to work and passed by the little indulgences in order to pay off the mortgage.

It's not real wealth until you turn it into cash. If house prices did fall then we would still have a house - worth of asset. Back in the early 80s a lot of young couples got trapped in negative equity and I felt terribly sorry for them having to put lives on hold. I would again, but in the long term it isn't in anyone's interest for this to continue otherwise the correction when it comes (and it will) will be even worse. At least we do have a rental market now and if people have to move but would take a loss on selling they can rent out to cover the mortgage and lenders will consider giving them a new mortgage (I think they call it rent to buy)

NewShadow

You know, it's very interesting how many people that work directly for the government (local or central) are so set on out.

Very few that I know/ have spoken to believe any of the dire predictions, and generally think that within 10 years the UK would be in a much better position socially, politically, and financially.

Makes you think...

pollyanna_26

MaryB Seeing your point too but who really believes that leaving will really bring back a level playing field ? I am not being flippant or sarcastic I would welcome opinions on how that will come about given the lack of honest and decent people running the show here during the years while money was wasted , manufacturing lost and we end up where we are at present . It would help if they weren't insulated in their comfortable little bubbles but they don't see , they don't understand and they don't care .
So who believes we will be ok out ?
polly

NewShadow

pollyanna_26 wrote: »

So who believes we will be ok out ?
polly

GreyQueen

NewShadow, I think you're on the money.

I've seen housing shortlists where every single person is a recent arrival from eastern Europe (and requiring translation) and I know hard-working Brits on NMW or thereabouts who live as lodgers/ housesharers with no security of tenure and are absolutely desperate for a council flat who cannot get a look in. Some of them have been on the waiting list for 20 years yet can get shoved aside by some johnny-come-lately whose sole investment into the UK is to buy a coach ticket or a plane ticket to get here.

In my city, we have rampant landlordism and flats and houses being rammed with people such as 30+ in a small 3 bedroom or 6 in a tiny one-bedroom flat like mine. The physcial structure of whole streets is slipping into dilapidation due to overcrowding in private rentals, property owners are trying it on with beds-in-sheds and illegal fire-trap conversions and council officers are fighting a losing battle to stop the slums which were labouriously cleared in the years before and after WW2 from coming back. There is a particular stench to overcrowding which is unmistakeable - think of the smell of fresh chicken manure on their fields and you've got it - we have to hold our breath as we walk past some flats in my block, it's enough to make you gag.

And don't even get me started on the traffic problems, the insufficient education spaces, the huge additional costs of coping with people with little or no English...........

:mad: The people I know who are pro- EU are usually business owners (present or retired) and many of them will be postal voting as they spend several months of each year in their European holiday homes and have already departed for the season. They've done pretty nicely in the UK and are sweetly-set in the EU and can't see any reason for Out.

maryb, I also thought that crashing UK property prices would be flippin' excellent for just about everyone and would be happy to see it.

My parents own their modest ex-council house but most of the ones in private hands around here are now BTLs packed with multiple adult households of EU citizens paying rents that no regular family could ever afford - the local landlord class are constantly leafletting these streets trying to buy up more and more of these houses so they can do more of the same. Mum admits to feeling harrassed by the landlords and their agents.