time sheets and accountability

Kynthia

Also because they are expected to work however long it takes to get the job done, within reason, they will often work long days. Therefore they will occasionally work short days to make up for it when they can, or may be given more flexibility about working offsite or from home.

Yorkie1

Anyone get the feeling that we've been used to further an entirely personal vendetta by the OP?

Sambucus_Nigra

Yorkie1 wrote: »

Anyone get the feeling that we've been used to further an entirely personal vendetta by the OP?

I think they tried to use us - but didn't get entirely the result they wanted.

Cheeky_Monkey

thebull wrote: »

its about accountability .the proles fill in time sheets the upper class get paid on trust ...... nice .

Welcome to the real world! I wouldn't stress yourself out about it, it's not worth it. It's always been the same and always will be

SueC_2

thebull wrote: »

no offence meant but its a fact you and others said it .
My next question could be why is everyone in the NHS not paid on trust but I think that would cause too much soul searching

Would it help you to realise that this isn't an NHS thing? It's the way of the world.

'Lower' level employees are paid to complete tasks. That might be assembling things in a factory, typing things in an office, nursing patients, manning a reception desk, serving customers in a shop etc etc. They get paid to be in their work environment and complete these tasks for a certain number of hours per day.

The higher up the management chain you go, the less you get paid to complete tasks and the more you get paid for taking responsibility. This responsibility remains yours whether you are in the workplace, in bed at home, on the golf course, or on the other side of the world on holiday.

Taking this to its ultimate end point, it's the top level managers who are held accountable for problems, even if they were unaware of them and/or not there when they occured. That's why you see Chief Execs of NHS trusts resigning as a result of the exposure of bad practice within their organisation. It doesn't matter how many hours they worked, or where they were when the problem occurred - it's still their issue.

As a result of this you see some high level managers working very long hours and getting involved in as much as they can to ensure they know exactly what's going on in their organisation. Other high level managers take the view that they should trust their employees to do the job they are paid to do - and therefore take advantage of not having to fill in a timesheet and be present for set hours each day.

Each of the above are valid methods of management. But when push comes to shove, the manager in each situation will find themselves in the firing line when things go wrong.

thebull

Sue c I have never believed in that age old lie of "its tough at the top "especially since joining the NHS from the real world .
I thank you for taking time out to try and sell me the lie though I just hope it was in your own time! as at 1.12 today I was hard at work at the near bottom of the pile .

SueC_2

thebull wrote: »

Sue c I have never believed in that age old lie of "its tough at the top "especially since joining the NHS from the real world .
I thank you for taking time out to try and sell me the lie though I just hope it was in your own time! as at 1.12 today I was hard at work at the near bottom of the pile .

I don't think I actually claimed that it was any tougher at the top than it is at the bottom, I think I just tried to explain the differences in responsibility according to your level in the organisation. And I certainly didn't lie about anything. As to whether or not I was responding in my own time, the very fact that you ask demonstrates that you utterly missed the point of what I was saying.

Still, each to their own. You clearly enjoy being "at near the bottom of the pile" and are working very hard to remain there. From what I've read on this post I have every reason to believe you will be thoroughly successful in doing so. Well done you - it's always good to have, and achieve, a goal in life.

thebull

and just for the record my query is made in pure curiosity nothing more nothing less I just wanted to know that's all .

t0rt0ise

I was a student nurse and then staff nurse, deputy ward sister etc back in the last century and never had to fill in a timesheet in any of those roles. Now I'm working as an unqualified staff and still don't fill any timesheet. My son also works in a hospital and fills in a form each month or whatever saying what nights he's done in order to get paid the enhanced pay. It isn't for any checking up purposes but then there's always a manager there who will know if we haven't turned up.

Tiddlywinks

thebull wrote: »

Sue c I have never believed in that age old lie of "its tough at the top "especially since joining the NHS from the real world .
I thank you for taking time out to try and sell me the lie though I just hope it was in your own time! as at 1.12 today I was hard at work at the near bottom of the pile .

Do you realise how bitter you appear to be?

I hope you aren't like this in the real world as you would be a nightmare to be around all the time.