time sheets and accountability

thebull

sambucas do you honestly think that your assertion that filling in time sheets is for those " further down the food chain " is PC in this day and age ?
Also IF you have personal knowledge of the NHS and its higher paid employees could you tell me what system is in place to prevent them fraudulently been paid for days they do not work when contracted too i.e. sickness working from home flexi ect things that us lower down the food chain have to account for ?

FBaby

No one has to do timesheets, they are only required if you do flexible hours so hours can be monitored and extra hours worked can be taken in lieu (up to a certain number)

Band 8 + are not entitled to time in lieu, it is expected that you might have to work extra hours as part of your role.

anamenottaken

lr1277 wrote: »

Ok I'll bite.

I am a band 7 bank worker. This is my 2nd band 7 bank role.

I too complete a monthly worksheet. Signed by my manager at the end of the month.

My current manager handn't employed a bank worker before, so there were lots of questions.

But his office is next to my desk so I am sure he knows my rough comings and goings.

HTH.

Any Bank worker completes timesheets because they aren't paid a salary.

Those hours do not have to be on NHS premises, they could be at home.

FBaby

Just thinking about it, it might be from band 7 rather than 8 that you are expected to work additional hours to your contracted one without being able to claim time in lieu

joolesw1972

I was a Band 7 Manager & didn't need to complete a timesheet apart from the odd time I worked enhanced hours (after 8pm or weekends) as we weren't allowed to claim overtime.
I think once you reach a certain level it is taken on trust that you put the hours in or it would show in your work, however I completed one out of habit, to have a record of the hours I put in. I always completed one as a Band 6.
Not sure if that helps?

CruisingSaver

I'm a senior manager for a NHS Trust and we require those staff up to and including Band 6 to complete timesheets, which are signed off on a monthly basis by their line managers.

This allows us to monitor the amount of overtime/time in lieu/flexi hours etc.

Band 7's and above do not receive payment for overtime and are not eligible to participate in flexi-time. However, this is only in my Trust and the others that I've worked in; other organisations may have different rules.

Higher banded non-shift work staff are expected to work the hours it takes to do the job and are deemed to have reached a level whereby they can be trusted to work their contracted hours.

CS

Sambucus_Nigra

thebull wrote: »

sambucas do you honestly think that your assertion that filling in time sheets is for those " further down the food chain " is PC in this day and age ?
Also IF you have personal knowledge of the NHS and its higher paid employees could you tell me what system is in place to prevent them fraudulently been paid for days they do not work when contracted too i.e. sickness working from home flexi ect things that us lower down the food chain have to account for ?

Yes I do. How else would you like it described? The lower reaches? The hoi polloi? The proles?

And as I mentioned, in all organisations, higher management will not have to produce timesheets as they are paid a high enough salary that they don't need to account for each and every hour. Because they get paid a SALARY and no overtime or TOIL. So a timesheet becomes obsolete. Because time when working these roles is not relevant.

It has been suggested several times how this is audited and managed. Perhaps if you gave some indication why you want to know [ie a context] then people could respond to your query?

thebull

thank you all for your speedy and helpful reply s I now know that payment is given "on trust " after a certain level in the NHS .
That is so very very very helpful to know

FBaby

Don't assume that the reason for timesheets for those under a band 7 is because payment isn't given on 'trust' for those on lower band. It is purely on the basis of flexi-hours that those under a band 7 benefit from.

In my trust, everyone is entitled to flexi-time in one way or the other, but those 7 and above are not entitled to claim time in lieu, hence no need for timesheets. It is expect that EVERYONE will work their contracted hours as a minimum, timesheets or not.

thebull

its about accountability .the proles fill in time sheets the upper class get paid on trust ...... nice .