School Prom vent....

Alikay

Pollycat wrote: »

That £99.25 would probably feed a family of 4 for a fortnight.
What choice do they make?
No food for a fortnight or daughter/son doesn't go to the prom?

Isn't that going a bit extreme, now? No-one's suggesting a family should go without food so their child can go to the prom. If money is that tight within any family obviously food, rent, power etc comes first! You could apply that argument to Christmas presents, school trips, the fee schools charge if your child needs to re-sit an exam module - anything!

The bottom line is that kids cost money. Lots of money. So if anyone is considering having them, take a good look at all the threads about pocket money, school uniform, support through uni, nursery fees etc etc and work out whether a hamster (or a Porsche) might be better value!

Pollycat

Alikay wrote: »

Isn't that going a bit extreme, now? No-one's suggesting a family should go without food so their child can go to the prom. If money is that tight within any family obviously food, rent, power etc comes first! You could apply that argument to Christmas presents, school trips, the fee schools charge if your child needs to re-sit an exam module - anything!

The bottom line is that kids cost money. Lots of money. So if anyone is considering having them, take a good look at all the threads about pocket money, school uniform, support through uni, nursery fees etc etc and work out whether a hamster (or a Porsche) might be better value!

I don't think it is going to the extreme.

My point has been that sure, there'll be haves and have-not kids at schools.

It was the same in my day.
I wore second-hand uniforms whilst my friends wore new.
And of course at Christmas and birthdays, their presents were more expensive and more plentiful than mine were.

A prom - when parents are buying dresses costing £300 - £500 - just highlights that gap even more forcefully.

Have you read that link provided by PoppyOscar to the news article?

If not, I would.
Alternatively, read my posts #25 & #44.

The majority of the girls come across as shallow.

Of course, I'm not saying this is true of all girls.
I'm commenting on the article that started the thead - and in that article there were several girls mentioned who couldn't afford a dress and so weren't going to the prom.

Pollycat wrote: »

And PoppyOscar did start off this (very interesting) thread about cost and shallowness of some of the girls.

Alikay

Pollycat wrote: »

The majority of the girls come across as shallow..

Of course they do in that article: The Daily Mail's reporter has specifically chosen those girls for the article, and edited or precis-ed what they've said to illustrate the point he/she is trying to make: "Girls these days are shallow and demanding....isn't the world a terrible place?!!"

A lot of the people who've replied to the thread, myself included, have pointed out that most people haven't spent silly money on clothes, limo's and preening. Most parents have common sense and most teenagers wouldn't dream of fleecing their families like that. Anyone who has a stroppy little princess who demands £1000 spending on prom (or leavers disco, for those who are offended by the word) went badly wrong with their parenting a long time before the end of year 11/13.

Torndao01

Am I alone thinking that a prom is a party, just like a wedding and such like. We all choose what to wear at these events and how much we spend.

I have been to wedding where guests have spent a fortune on their clothes and I've borrowed a dress, borrowed a hat, cheap shoes that can be worn another time, hair and nails myself - done, look fantastic on a shoe string.

Well as I see it, schools about learning and here is a fantastic oppotunity to learn the following:

Its not polite to comment on the cost of peoples clothes.
Wearing expensive clothes doesn't make the party better.
The best dressed person has 'style' and that can't be bought.
That a large number of girls together = !!!!!iness no matter how old.
That hopefully they are moving on to better things.

Some people appear to be blaming the girls, when I would say at this age, most of their choices are fuelled by what they see. Magazines printed by older adults, TV made by older adults and parents that are hopefully older adults.

POPPYOSCAR

Alikay wrote: »

Of course they do in that article: The Daily Mail's reporter has specifically chosen those girls for the article, and edited or precis-ed what they've said to illustrate the point he/she is trying to make: "Girls these days are shallow and demanding....isn't the world a terrible place?!!"

A lot of the people who've replied to the thread, myself included, have pointed out that most people haven't spent silly money on clothes, limo's and preening. Most parents have common sense and most teenagers wouldn't dream of fleecing their families like that. Anyone who has a stroppy little princess who demands £1000 spending on prom (or leavers disco, for those who are offended by the word) went badly wrong with their parenting a long time before the end of year 11/13.

I am not saying that all the girls are like that but quite a few of them are.

And you would be surprised how much money was spent by some of the girls, it not just a competition for the girls but also for the parents.

It was my daughter that showed me the article because they were all talking about it at the prom, she knows the girl in question and apparently she and others are like that all the time at school.

Cat501

pinkclouds wrote: »

Correct. But the English do trick or treating like the Americans: Happy Hallowe'en, now hand over the candy. When I was a child, guising involved actually doing something e.g telling a joke - and you were grateful for any sweeties you got.

Yes, it's completely different now - I remember singing songs and telling jokes, Trick or Treat was unheard of.

That's one thing which I DO think has changed for the worse. I generally hate all that "in my day" stuff. It wasn't necessarily better "in your day" (not you pinkclouds, I'm talking in general!), just different! Makes me laugh when I see people who spend a lot of time on FB posting all that stuff about having 3 TV channels and no mobile phones "in their day". Would any of them want to go back to that? Would they heck!!

On the subject of "proms", there was a story in our local papers a couple of years ago about a family who wanted to send their daughter to the prom in a helicopter but permission was refused.

It was the PRIMARY school prom.....:/ That, to me, is a vlulgar and over the top display of one-upmanship.

I think the girls in the article look really nice, and notakid I'm another who LOVES that necklace!!! The dress is gorgeous too!

LandyAndy your son looks awesome!! Reminds me of someone and I just can't think who ???

Pollycat

POPPYOSCAR wrote: »

It was my daughter that showed me the article because they were all talking about it at the prom, she knows the girl in question and apparently she and others are like that all the time at school.

That comes across loud and clear from the 'Wannabe WAG', 'Rear of the Year' and 'Hottest Girl'.

Personally, I think she proably contacted the Daily Mail in the hope of being picked up as a glamour model or something similar.

PoppyOscar - glad to hear that your daughter isn't shallow like that.

notakid

Pollycat wrote: »

That comes across loud and clear from the 'Wannabe WAG', 'Rear of the Year' and 'Hottest Girl'.

Personally, I think she proably contacted the Daily Mail in the hope of being picked up as a glamour model or something similar.

PoppyOscar - glad to hear that your daughter isn't shallow like that.

I think you have hit the nail on the head for a certain % of girls and boys I suppose they do behave like this.

But it was no different when I was at school. There was always the group of girls that were imac groomed and looked 25 at 15.

I suppose these are the children of my peers!

POPPYOSCAR

Pollycat wrote: »

That comes across loud and clear from the 'Wannabe WAG', 'Rear of the Year' and 'Hottest Girl'.

Personally, I think she proably contacted the Daily Mail in the hope of being picked up as a glamour model or something similar.

PoppyOscar - glad to hear that your daughter isn't shallow like that.

That is exactly what I said to my daughter.

She questioned me by asking if by me saying, that I thought it was right. We had quite an in-depth discussion about it.

Alikay

notakid wrote: »

But it was no different when I was at school. There was always the group of girls that were imac groomed and looked 25 at 15.

Yes, I remember those girls too: Drinking Cinzano and dancing at the Top Rank on a school night, perms and pencil skirts at 14 and being picked up from school by boyfriends with cars.:rotfl: