Would You Go On the Jeremy Kyle Show?

Person_one

Welshwoofs wrote: »

You make your own opportunities in this life; very few get them handed on a platter.

Right, everybody has an equal start, definitely.

shellsuit

Would I hell go on it.

I can't stand the way JK is so patronising, and when he demands people do something, such as "get on your knees and beg for forgiveness", or "look at her and tell her you're sorry...look at her...LOOK AT HER"

If someone spoke to me like that, I'd tell them to foxtrot oscar, but then again, I wouldn't put myself in that position in the first place.

I used to think it was funny, now I think it's just sad, that people can't sort out their problems in a normal and humane way and instead don't mind being paraded on TV in front of the nation like a group of monkeys in the zoo.

jellyhead

Welshwoofs wrote: »

You've just defined 'underclass' as being poor and living on a council estate but that's not my definition. The underclass are these people whom education passed by; no qualifications, no work history to speak of (and no inclination to do so), often parented by people who also haven't worked and yes...all the issues of profligate breeding, alcohol/subsubstance misuse, violence, crime, poor parenting skills etc etc.

I wasn't defining underclass as such, just debating where the boundaries would lie

Okay, I'm not part of the underclass then. So I think the point I was trying to make is that there aren't many people like JK's guests. Council estates aren't heaving with them, although come to think of it there's an estate a few miles away from here where they are more common.

Welshwoofs

Person_one wrote: »

Right, everybody has an equal start, definitely.

I didn't say everyone has an equal start did I. What I said was that most of us have to make our own opportunities in life.

jellyhead wrote: »

So I think the point I was trying to make is that there aren't many people like JK's guests. Council estates aren't heaving with them, although come to think of it there's an estate a few miles away from here where they are more common.

No, they're not the majority but I'd say there are growing minority of 'NEET' types.

Person_one

Welshwoofs wrote: »

I didn't say everyone has an equal start did I. What I said was that most of us have to make our own opportunities in life.

The biggest and best 'opportunity' is parents who give a crap about you and actively want to do their best for you. You can't make that one yourself.

jellyhead

Welshwoofs wrote: »

No, they're not the majority but I'd say there are growing minority of 'NEET' types.

I know, it's so sad! I do wonder what the parents are thinking, letting kids who are at the age where education is free and living costs are still being subsidised by parents do absolutely nothing :eek:

There are posters in our local college about all of the courses available to teens who've lost direction, and it's a big range of courses too, at every level.

If mine drops out of A-levels he won't be given the option of loafing around doing nothing, he'll be on a college course, working, volunteering .... ANYTHING that would give him some sort of a future. Even volunteering for free is better than nothing and could lead to an apprenticeship.

Welshwoofs

Person_one wrote: »

The biggest and best 'opportunity' is parents who give a crap about you and actively want to do their best for you. You can't make that one yourself.

That's a pretty big assumption to make that all these types have parents who don't give a crap about them. Perhaps some do, but perhaps others are just unintelligent, lazy little scrotes who are perfectly happy with their lives.

This constant need to label all these types as 'vulnerable' or 'victims' is a complete joke IMO and I bet nobody is laughing as loud as the scrotes themselves.

Person_one

Welshwoofs wrote: »

That's a pretty big assumption to make that all these types have parents who don't give a crap about them. Perhaps some do, but perhaps others are just unintelligent, lazy little scrotes who are perfectly happy with their lives.

This constant need to label all these types as 'vulnerable' or 'victims' is a complete joke IMO and I bet nobody is laughing as loud as the scrotes themselves.

Maybe when you actually meet, talk to and work with some of the people described as 'scrotes' its a lot harder to see them as subhuman and contemptible.

jellyhead

On the subject of NEETs I've been chatting to two local girls recently whose big brothers are NEETs but these girls are going to college. They struggle in school and won't be getting C's in maths or english but they are going to take vocational courses - if they start at level 1 or 2 they can progress, and hopefully improve their maths and english enough to resit.

I think what's made the difference to these girls, none of whom have ever seen a parent or any other family member work for a living, is a vocational course in school. In place of a couple of GCSE options they go to college and take NVQs in things like catering, hairdressing, bricklaying etc.

They gain confidence (which is lacking in those who are well below average, let's face it - they often hate school by this point) and see a career path in front of them, and suddenly they are doing something at age 16 instead of nothing. It's great

Redouble

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