disabled car tax

Parva

I'm still awaiting SoapN's definition of 'them'. In the absence of that definition I can only conclude that 'them' are referred to as disabled people and as such do not belong in the same 'class' as SoapN.

Anubis_2

briclegg wrote: »

well lets try and clear it up.

the car and free tax is for the benefit of who the award was given to,it is for their benefit regardless of who actually has to drive it.
the award is given to the claimant so if they dont drive or cant drive they have to have someone nominated.
to say that other person cant use it if claimant is not in it is ridiculous.they may have to travel to the claimant they may work they may live round the corner.

what i am trying to get across is that if the claimant is getting benefit from a mobility car free tax or both theres is no problem at all

I don't drive, I can't drive anyway due to my disabilities. Without a doubt the designated driver can use the car without the disabled person in it providing it is being used for the needs of the disabled person.

My husband has to use the car 90 percent of the time without me in it because I can not get out much and he uses it for shopping, getting me things, visiting my friend to pick things up etc. My main use is docs and hospitals.

Let's not forget some designated carers don't live with the disabled person so need to be in the car on their own to get to the house. Additionally children who are disabled are dropped off at school and the car has to be driven home without the child in it.

So absolutely the driver can use it without the disabled person being in the car, but the cannot use the blue badge if they have one.

The usage for work seems to be a grey area but it does appear it s allowed as it is considered that if the driver is the carer they need fast access to a vehicle to get home incase of emergency and that the partner working is beneficial to the disabled person.

Lum

The thing I think people don't realise is that even with DLA, and the free car tax and so on, is that the sheer cost of being disabled is still higher than any financial benefits that disabled people get back from the government, or concessions from 3rd parties such as cinema etc.

I'm not even including things like the extra time taken to do stuff, or pain and suffering here. I'm talking about pure measurable financial outlay, for example:

• The cost of all the hideously overpriced mobility equipment that disabled people need.
• The increase in rent that you will incur if you need a bungalow instead of a house and the increase in council tax that goes with it (the bungalow we've just moved to is two bands higher, so even if we manage to get the disability discount, that's still an increase).
• On the subject of the need to change house, lets not forget the cost of moving too!
• Increased fuel usage for trips that you would previously have walked, cycled or used public transport.
• If the disability leaves a person stuck in the house, increased heat and electricity costs.
• If using motability, this is far from free, since it basically eats up all of the mobility component of your DLA, so if you also need to buy any other mobility equipment, that comes out of your own pockets.
• Also worth noting that we're currently in June and I only have 6 days holiday left this year, apart from 2 days, the rest of my holidays have all gone on carer related tasks, such as taking my partner to a London hospital to see a specialist that is not available in Wales. Once those remaining 6 have gone, I'll be on unpaid leave for the next hospital visit or whatever. woo!

Bear in mind that I'm still a noob to the whole carer thing, I'm sure there's other costs that I will have the joy of finding out about soon!

Free car tax, on a modest car, equates to what? £100 a year, in our case it works out at around £215 a year as my partner's car is from 1994. I guess if you really wanted to game the system and run around in a gas guzzler then you could get £450 a year out of this scheme. It's really not that much.

Even with full DLA and free car tax, this is still costing us more than we get back from the government for being disabled.

And then there is the fact that my partner is in constant pain, and dependent on me for tasks such as microwaving a meal, or bringing her wheelchair indoors to charge.

We'd gladly give up all the government and private concessions and subsidies in exchange for her not being disabled any more. In the meantime, they're enough to ensure that we can both continue to function and both continue to work full-time.

CharlieBilly

Government still get a lot back from disabled via tax, just look at the tax on petrol alone. Many disabled need transport to get around there are no buses, and sometimes even taxi are expensive. Then they have added costs of often going to doctors/hospital and often have to pay for parking not all NHS car parks are free

moon_pig

Soapn wrote: »

who says I'm moaning "about people like him"? I'm moaning about the ones who have the free stuff who shouldn't have it, but still get it cos "they is entitled"

Well said brother:T

CTcelt1988

moon_pig wrote: »

Thousands of motability cars will have to go back unless you can meet this criteria, under the new welcomed shake up PIP

Can move up to 50 metres unaided but no further. For example: identifies individuals who can move up to 50 metres unaided but then require a wheelchair for anything further.Cannot move up to 50 metres without using an aid or appliance, other than a wheelchair or a motorised device. For example: identifies individuals who can use an aid or appliance to move up to 50 metres but then require a wheelchair for anything further.Cannot move up to 50 metres without using a wheelchair propelled by the individual.Cannot move up to 50 metres without using a wheelchair propelled by another person or a motorised device.Cannot either –i. move around at all; or ii. transfer unaided from one seated position to another adjacent seated position.

For a start, some of that criteira will only get you standard PIP mobiliy, which is up to 10 points. Only if you use a wheelchair will people get 12 points or over to get enhanced rate. Me, and thousands of others, will only get up to 10 points, which will mean missing out on Motability.

moon_pig

CTcelt1988 wrote: »

For a start, some of that criteira will only get you standard PIP mobiliy, which is up to 10 points. Only if you use a wheelchair will people get 12 points or over to get enhanced rate. Me, and thousands of others, will only get up to 10 points, which will mean missing out on Motability.

These are the guidelines when PIP is launched, there has to be cut backs , as there has been everywhere , if people are genuinely disabled as of the the following rules then they will be so rightly entitled to the support , remember we are in a recession, we need to save revenue , this is how its going to be done , the govenment will save Billions, the best shake up of the benefit system ever

Here are the rules
Can move up to 50 metres unaided but no further. For example: identifies individuals who can move up to 50 metres unaided but then require a wheelchair for anything further.Cannot move up to 50 metres without using an aid or appliance, other than a wheelchair or a motorised device. For example: identifies individuals who can use an aid or appliance to move up to 50 metres but then require a wheelchair for anything further.Cannot move up to 50 metres without using a wheelchair propelled by the individual.Cannot move up to 50 metres without using a wheelchair propelled by another person or a motorised device.Cannot either –i. move around at all; or ii. transfer unaided from one seated position to another adjacent seated position.

If you dont meet the criteira the motability car will have to go back The government have finally woken up.

Richie-from-the-Boro

moon_pig wrote: »

These are the guidelines when PIP is launched, there has to be cut backs , as there has been everywhere , if people are genuinely disabled as of the the following rules then they will be so rightly entitled to the support , remember we are in a recession, we need to save revenue , this is how its going to be done , the govenment will save Billions, the best shake up of the benefit system ever

Here are the rules
Can move up to 50 metres unaided but no further. For example: identifies individuals who can move up to 50 metres unaided but then require a wheelchair for anything further.Cannot move up to 50 metres without using an aid or appliance, other than a wheelchair or a motorised device. For example: identifies individuals who can use an aid or appliance to move up to 50 metres but then require a wheelchair for anything further.Cannot move up to 50 metres without using a wheelchair propelled by the individual.Cannot move up to 50 metres without using a wheelchair propelled by another person or a motorised device.Cannot either –i. move around at all; or ii. transfer unaided from one seated position to another adjacent seated position.

If you dont meet the criteira the motability car will have to go back The government have finally woken up.

- do you [moon pig] have any idea .. .. even the glimmering of an idea how very stupid your troll~type uttering's are ? you are not good, not even moderately good at it !

and

- do you [the remainder] have any idea .. .. even the glimmering of an idea how very stupid it is to feed moon pig

You can't make an omelette etc .. .. so I include myself the 'remainder' group

moon_pig

Richie-from-the-Boro wrote: »

- do you [moon pig] have any idea .. .. even the glimmering of an idea how very stupid your troll~type uttering's are ? you are not good, not even moderately good at it !

and

- do you [the remainder] have any idea .. .. even the glimmering of an idea how very stupid it is to feed moon pig

You can't make an omelette etc .. .. so I include myself the 'remainder' group

Im only stating the facts ,thats what it is, thats how its going to be , like i said, if your disabled and fit the criteira your welcome to everthing you will be entitled too.
whats wrong with that ???

CTcelt1988

moon_pig wrote: »

These are the guidelines when PIP is launched, there has to be cut backs , as there has been everywhere , if people are genuinely disabled as of the the following rules then they will be so rightly entitled to the support , remember we are in a recession, we need to save revenue , this is how its going to be done , the govenment will save Billions, the best shake up of the benefit system ever

Here are the rules
Can move up to 50 metres unaided but no further. For example: identifies individuals who can move up to 50 metres unaided but then require a wheelchair for anything further.Cannot move up to 50 metres without using an aid or appliance, other than a wheelchair or a motorised device. For example: identifies individuals who can use an aid or appliance to move up to 50 metres but then require a wheelchair for anything further.Cannot move up to 50 metres without using a wheelchair propelled by the individual.Cannot move up to 50 metres without using a wheelchair propelled by another person or a motorised device.Cannot either –i. move around at all; or ii. transfer unaided from one seated position to another adjacent seated position.

If you dont meet the criteira the motability car will have to go back The government have finally woken up.

You have got it wrong Moon Pig. Can move up to 50 metres unaided but no further. This wouldnt get you standard rate PIP at all, let alone enhanced rate.

Cannot move up to 50 metres without using an aid or appliance, other than a wheelchair or a motorised device. This would get you up to 10 points. That would not be enough to get Motabiity, as you need 12 points to get the enhanced rate.

Cannot move up to 50 metres without using a wheelchair propelled by the individual.Cannot move up to 50 metres without using a wheelchair propelled by another person or a motorised device. This would get you over 12 points, so you would get the enhanced rate.

Thousands of thousands of genuine disabled people will ony get up to 10 points due to the descriptor thresholds. Thus meaning thousands losing their Motability car. Thus meaning alot will end up housebound.