Who you you report smoking in vehicles to ?

sillygoose

goater78 wrote: »

It's not a health hazard. I don't like to agree with azari but I don't think the after effects of smoke are a health hazard. He should speak to his boss again or his bosses boss. If he keeps on complaining they could possibly move him to another vehicle. Or failing that speak to the other driver again. The other driver can choose to ignore it but that will lead to disciplinary action

Doesn't matter, why should the dad be penalised and moved to another vehicle when its the other driver and the employer that are breaking the law?

The smoking driver has to be stopped or sacked.

Tina20

Regardless of hazard (and yes, 'old' smoke is still a hazard. Which is why it's recommended a smoker washes their hands before holding a baby, and a baby doesn't sleep in a room which has previously been smoked in) it's illegal for the smoker to be smoking in a commercial vehicle.

You can report it to your local police station, and the smoker will likely be fined.

System

sillygoose wrote: »

Doesn't matter, why should the dad be penalised and moved to another vehicle when its the other driver and the employer that are breaking the law?

The smoking driver has to be stopped or sacked.

Is the employer breaking the law? I assume the lorry has no smoking signs and they've told the driver to not smoke in the lorry. If complaints are still made then they will probably start disciplinary action against him. However it's not easy to sack someone. In addition if nobody sees him smoking in the lorry then the only evidence is the smell. He could argue he smokes outside the lorry and brings the smell with him.

Also it's hardly penalising the op's father to move him to a different lorry. Unless he is in love with the lorry he currently drives.

tescobabe69

Is there proof that someone is smoking in the vehicle ? I doubt it.

McKneff

Is it really a police matter or a civil matter.

I cant see anyone actually getting a criminal record for smoking in a works vehicle.

The world has gone mad it it is

Azari

Tina20 wrote: »

Regardless of hazard (and yes, 'old' smoke is still a hazard. Which is why it's recommended a smoker washes their hands before holding a baby, and a baby doesn't sleep in a room which has previously been smoked in) it's illegal for the smoker to be smoking in a commercial vehicle.

You can report it to your local police station, and the smoker will likely be fined.

Thanks for that information.

This is one case where I'm more than happy to be shown to be wrong.

System

Tina20 wrote: »

Regardless of hazard (and yes, 'old' smoke is still a hazard. Which is why it's recommended a smoker washes their hands before holding a baby, and a baby doesn't sleep in a room which has previously been smoked in) it's illegal for the smoker to be smoking in a commercial vehicle.

You can report it to your local police station, and the smoker will likely be fined.

The washing your hands thing is a better safe than sorry approach. There is no evidence that it does harm children under 3. Either way the op's dad is not under 3.

This is quite interesting to read

http://health.msn.com/health-topics/addiction/the-smell-of-tobacco-smoke

sillygoose

goater78 wrote: »

Is the employer breaking the law? I assume the lorry has no smoking signs and they've told the driver to not smoke in the lorry. If complaints are still made then they will probably start disciplinary action against him. However it's not easy to sack someone. In addition if nobody sees him smoking in the lorry then the only evidence is the smell. He could argue he smokes outside the lorry and brings the smell with him.

Also it's hardly penalising the op's father to move him to a different lorry. Unless he is in love with the lorry he currently drives.

The employer has been told about it and has acknowledged this by actually talking to the smoker, but has failed to follow up and enforce it with further action.
From a local council...
while business not properly enforcing it or displaying the correct signage can be fined £200. Officials will also be able to take court action against those who refuse to enforce it, which could lead to a £2,500 penalty.

How do you know the other lorry isn't used on a worse route? or disadvantages the driver in some other way? simply the dad is happy to drive what he currently does, and should not have to accommodate someone breaking the law.

System

sillygoose wrote: »

The employer has been told about it and has acknowledged this by actually talking to the smoker, but has failed to follow up and enforce it with further action.
From a local council...
while business not properly enforcing it or displaying the correct signage can be fined £200. Officials will also be able to take court action against those who refuse to enforce it, which could lead to a £2,500 penalty.

How do you know the other lorry isn't used on a worse route? or disadvantages the driver in some other way? simply the dad is happy to drive what he currently does, and should not have to accommodate someone breaking the law.

You have no idea of the timeline of events. If the employee has not complained again to the employer then they haven't been given opportunity to enforce further action. In most cases a word from your boss is enough to stop you doing something. The employers next step will be formal verbal warning, then written warning, then dismissal.

The op should speak to his boss again and say the problem is still occurring. You appear to have absolutely no commonsense. It is not good career advice to report your company to an external organisation so they get fined.

sillygoose

goater78 wrote: »

You have no idea of the timeline of events. If the employee has not complained again to the employer then they haven't been given opportunity to enforce further action. In most cases a word from your boss is enough to stop you doing something. The employers next step will be formal verbal warning, then written warning, then dismissal.

The op should speak to his boss again and say the problem is still occurring. You appear to have absolutely no commonsense. It is not good career advice to report your company to an external organisation so they get fined.

?? erm I agree! I was simply pointing out that the dad is not doing anything wrong but the other driver and employer (potentially) are. Neither did I suggest reporting to an external organisation but he could remind them that they are leaving themselves exposed to a big fine risk, that is actually helpful.

As to my common sense, you don't know anything about me so I will thank you to keep your personal abuse to your own thoughts.