Driver in overtaking lane at 65mph

Nearly_Old

Hermione_Granger wrote: »

Lane 1 could just as easily be the inside or the outside, which is why numbers are not the correct identification.

As far as highway design and legal orders are concerned lanes have been numbered for the 41 years I was involved in the industry. Although the media and the public generally refer to "Slow and Fast" or "Left, Middle and Right". There are very specific rules for lane numbering as they are used to transmit the lanes affected by an incident to the emergency services. The basic logic is that lanes are numbered from left to right when looking in the direction of travel - if you think about it we don't tend to number from right to left.

C_Mababejive

In the good ol US of A traffic passes left and right with impunity and it all works just fine. Try it out on the LA giratory..six lanes wide and all running smoothly. It is only the paranoid Brits who struggle and so feel the need to reserve the centre lane for themselves just in case they get stuck in lane one or more likely,they are too incompetent to drive properly so hedge their bets in lane 2.

SHIPSHAPE

Hermione_Granger wrote: »

Well at least you've admitted that you made a mistake and that your road knowledge is lacking.



Why only those with a thick head?
If there is nothing to state lane 1 is on the left, what is there to stop someone assuming that it is on the right?

I refer you to the excellent contribution from member Nearly Old.

As previously stated, only the likes of you would be confused to what is regarded as lane 1 in the UK.

Now go and lie down, rest that head.

SHIPSHAPE

Hermione_Granger wrote: »

Well at least you've admitted that... your road knowledge is...right

Why, thank you!

(I can cut & paste too)

Hermione_Granger

SHIPSHAPE wrote: »

Why, thank you!

(I can cut & paste too)

The difference being that I didn't feel the need to change your post by selective editing.
What I pasted was word for word what you stated.
Your feeble effort required you to remove words from part of a post to try to change the meaning.

As to the lane numbering on, don't forget that this changes on motorways if the hard shoulder has been opened up to traffic.
http://www.dft.gov.uk/ha/standards/tech_info/files/MM-DHS%20Concept%20of%20Operations.pdf

Irrespective of this, there is no mention of lane 1, lane 2 etc in the highway code, yet you berated other posters for stating things that were not in there.

SHIPSHAPE

Hermione_Granger wrote: »

The difference being that I didn't feel the need to change your post by selective editing.
What I pasted was word for word what you stated.
Your feeble effort required you to remove words from part of a post to try to change the meaning.

Yes you did, in your post # 74, you cut my statement in two to give a false impression of what that statement meant in whole.

You even put in a full stop.

All other members can see your childish antics.

Nearly_Old

Hermione_Granger wrote: »

As to the lane numbering on, don't forget that this changes on motorways if the hard shoulder has been opened up to traffic.
http://www.dft.gov.uk/ha/standards/tech_info/files/MM-DHS%20Concept%20of%20Operations.pdf

Yes the Lane Numbering convention has been changed for managed motorways with dynamic use of the hardshoulder as described in the Interim Advice Note - but it is still a numbering system from left to right: e.g. the hardshoulder becomes LBS 1 (Lane Below Signal 1), Lane becomes LBS 2, etc all as described in IAN 111-09:

Generic Requirements
The lane naming convention implemented for the M42 MM pilot must be adopted for all managed motorways projects that incorporate a dynamic hard shoulder; referring to “lane below signal” to unambiguously number the lanes. [my highlight] This results in LBS 1 (lane below signal 1) for the hard shoulder, LBS 2 for lane 1, LBS 3 for lane 2, etc.
This terminology must be used within the HA and the Traffic Officer Service (TOS) in particular.

Third parties should be encouraged to adopt this terminology, although the TOS (RCC operators in particular) will be responsible for confirming the lanes that are affected, by either asking on-scene personnel for supplementary information (such as number of lanes from the inside or outside of the carriageway) or by remote observation through Closed Circuit Television (CCTV).

In reality it uses the existing numbering system with a) the removal of the Hardshoulder designation; and b) the addition of the LBS to clearly identify that it only refers to lanes below signals. There was much debate between the network operators, the emergency services, etc to ensure that a single numbering system could be developed and used for all situations.

Nearly_Old

Hermione_Granger wrote: »

Irrespective of this, there is no mention of lane 1, lane 2 etc in the highway code, yet you berated other posters for stating things that were not in there.

In reality the Highway Code doesn't really need to refer to the lane numbers; e.g. if you consider paragraph 264: Lane discipline
264

You should always drive in the left-hand lane when the road ahead is clear. If you are overtaking a number of slower-moving vehicles, you should return to the left-hand lane as soon as you are safely past. Slow-moving or speed-restricted vehicles should always remain in the left-hand lane of the carriageway unless overtaking. You MUST NOT drive on the hard shoulder except in an emergency or if directed to do so by the police, HA traffic officers in uniform or by signs.

On a normal motorway (2, 3, 4 or more lanes) then vehicles should be in Lane 1.

On a managed with dynamic hardshoulder then:
a) Hardshoulder not in use: vehicles should be in LBS 2 (formerly Lane 1)
b) Hardshoulder in use: vehicles should be in LBS 1 (formerly the Hardshoulder)

In all cases these are the lanes furthest to the left that are available and IMHO using the lane numbers rather than just saying drive in the left-hand lane would just confuse people.

NBLondon

C_Mababejive wrote: »

How could i possibly be a member of the centre lane owners club when i am in the left hand lane,driving at below the speed limit since my day vehicle is constrained by a speed limiter? Are you saying that i am preventing people from undertaking the centre lane owners club (CLOC) member? I am doing nothing wrong.

Your first post sounded like you would deliberately match speeds or worse hold in their blind spot. If you are just driving in Lane 1 at a fixed speed, then you are either going to pass them or drop behind them. (Or given that the average MLOC clot can't hold a fixed speed - both of these). You would only parallel them if you joined, came up to your limited speed and found they were doing the same speed. In which case, it would be sensible to ease off for a few seconds let them get a little ahead so you can see when they do something else stupid and then carry on at your chosen speed.

shaun_from_Africa

As there is nothing in the highway code that refers to motorway lanes by numbers (they always use right hand, left hand etc), and this is backed up by UK legislation, (the Motorways traffic regulations state exactly the same,) I don't see anything wrong with the general public using the same designations when referring to motorways.