Does New Law (May 2012) Make Registered Keeper Liable to Parking Charges?

LincolnshireYokel

patman99 wrote: »

If they really want to deal with the issue, then there is nothing stopping them dropping a big stack of pallets behind/in front of the offending vehicles. The owners would soon get fed up with having to beg the staff to shift the stack.

Well, speaking as an allotment owner.............

Pallets have 1001 uses on an allotment, so provided they arent Blue Pallets (CHEP), then I'd just say 'cheers' and load them on to the trailer..........


(Blue pallets are the property of GKN and all are serilsied and accounted for, and taking them is theft. White pallets are disposable, no one wants them back)

mikey72

patman99 wrote: »

Mikey, if Lidl are so concerned about loss of trade from people abusing their car park, then there is nothing stopping them as landowners from taking action themselves rather than using the now-powerless PPC they employ.

Only trouble is, the only thing they can claim for is the damage caused by the use of the parking space and this would involve a lot of number-crunching to come up with a figure of how much money was actually lost by the space not being usable.
This would cost them more in time than they are likely to ever get back.
If they really want to deal with the issue, then there is nothing stopping them dropping a big stack of pallets behind/in front of the offending vehicles. The owners would soon get fed up with having to beg the staff to shift the stack.

There is actually. Been there, done that. But not to annoy motorists. Pallets can't be left stacked in a public car park, or even any public area due to H&S, as a risk assessment shows the public are likely to topple them onto themselves, back into them, or a classic, kids rebuild them into BMX ramps, then injure themselves. You try to get pallets left out for you to collect after hours, and see what you run foul of, let alone build a blockade out of them.

ManxRed

mikey72 wrote: »

I'll come back in again. Mainly as I think, sometimes, parking enforcement is needed, which is why the law was changed. Maybe not in the right way, but what other ideas would you have, apart from barrier control? We've a local Lidl. I shop there, but quite often fail to find any space at all, and leave. The reason I can't park, is because it's one of the few carparks in the town, that isn't council owned, and pay and display. So it gets parked up in the morning, with a mixture mainly of workers in the town, and shoppers at other stores who walk a couple of minutes to the high street throughout the day. Lidl can't do anything about it, as they get told the tickets aren't enforceable, we can stay all day, and it's not an option to clamp, because of a covenant in the ground they built on. (No barrier allowed either.) There's no point Lidl shoppers parking elsewhere, as then you have to carry the shopping back. It's the same cars, day in day out mainly, who "know their rights", so any suggestions on how we can get in to park to shop?

Slightly confused about the scenario. The people who run the car park offer 'pay and display', so are the people you are moaning about people who pay and display for the whole day and then go off somewhere else? If the car park owners are offering this as a service and people are paying then I cannot see the problem. They cannot offer the service selectively. e.g. "YOU can park here and pay and display, but YOU can't" simply doesn't work logistically, nor could it ever be policed.

Or are you saying that people park there WITHOUT paying and displaying, in the knowledge that the tickets are unenforceable? This is slightly different. Legally the 'transgressors' would owe the car park owner the pay and display fees, which would represent their losses in parking fees, and I certainly would never advocate dodging or ignoring those. If the car park owner pursued those drivers for the P&D fee losses then I would support and agree with that action. However, they invariably don't, they choose to pursue the drivers for legally unenforceable charges which they randomly make up (they are certainly not based on any actual losses suffered), and then generate large profits from which some people (and I'm thinking Simon Renshaw-Smith here) buy large expensive yachts and pay themselves six figure salaries. I DON'T support this.

However this doesn't resolve your LIDL problem, which I suspect is probably more a symptom of their car park being too small, and too few alternative car parks nearby, rather than any advice from the anarchists on here.

t.j_2

on easter sunday we attempted to pay for car park at this site and it took our money but did not issue a receipt so assuming that it did not read the registration correctly dumbly got someone to drive the vehicle out and drive in again still did not accept even though took another 2.00. appeale to parking eye and just keep sending threatening reminders so appealed to the car park owners one month went by and heard nothing then to my horror just received 2 letters from debt collector plus stating will issue court summonds if not paid amount the amount is now140.00 even though original was 60.00 owners finally got back to me to say could pay 60.00 not the 140.00 we did nothing wrong length overall apparently was 47 minutes car park eye state that nothing was wrong with the machines help please as i do not know what to do the vehicle is registered to my son and he cannott risk a ccj against him!!!

AltheHibby

TJ,

Chill. There is nothing that debt collectors can do.

AlexisV

Just ignore them.

For your son to receive a CCJ he'd have to be taken to small claims court AND lose AND fail to pay within 28 days.

You've more chance of winning gold at the olympics.

peter_the_piper

I suspect the machines were ""faulty"" so they could get the entrance fee and their charge, which they call a fine. If it happens again, get all your facts together and complain to trading standards, it has happened before and a PPC got done for it.

ManxRed

Hang on a minute, do THEY owe YOU £2??

peter_the_piper

Send them an invoice for the £2.00, if not paid then it goes up to £60.00/£140.00. Yours is at least genuine estimate of loss.

ManxRed

Send the invoice to LIDLs and mention an harassment claim unless the PPC stop threatening you.