Today I got a lesson in Apple build quality.

mikey72

Gratis wrote: »

Now, now, Fifer, proportion your belief to the evidence.

(Otherwise you’re in danger of being called a type of ‘ole that begins unabbreviated with an A instead of an H.)

You don’t know what the evidence actually is, do you – because, as you’ve already explained, you lack the competence to find it yourself on Google. (Something that your perceived but so far unexplained “average user” of a laptop also cannot do?)

So here the evidence is for you – as requested and via Google:

http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/MacBook-Pro-15-Inch-Unibody-Teardown/590/4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJ9XnsdbGHY&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvqQF02G5Ns&feature=related


And worry not, I’ll reply to your earlier raving when I’ve finished sunbathing in my native language.

I had a Sinclair Spectrum with a keyboard like that. But I have to agree, not as many screws. Then again, I never had to change it though.

Figment

mikey72 wrote: »

I had a Sinclair Spectrum with a keyboard like that. But I have to agree, not as many screws. Then again, I never had to change it though.

Would you recommend it to your arch enemy?

Andy_L

Gratis wrote: »

So here the evidence is for you – as requested and via Google:

http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/MacBook-Pro-15-Inch-Unibody-Teardown/590/4

"We got it off! Phew. It took about 15 minutes to remove all the screws."

Its like the good old days of fixing British Leyland cars - design for manufacture not repair

mikey72

Figment wrote: »

Would you recommend it to your arch enemy?

I've still got it.

Fifer

Gratis wrote: »

Now, now, Fifer, proportion your belief to the evidence.

(Otherwise you’re in danger of being called a type of ‘ole that begins unabbreviated with an A instead of an H.)

You don’t know what the evidence actually is, do you – because, as you’ve already explained, you lack the competence to find it yourself on Google. (Something that your perceived but so far unexplained “average user” of a laptop also cannot do?)

So here the evidence is for you – as requested and via Google:

http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/MacBook-Pro-15-Inch-Unibody-Teardown/590/4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJ9XnsdbGHY&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvqQF02G5Ns&feature=related


And worry not, I’ll reply to your earlier raving when I’ve finished sunbathing in my native language.

Ah! The reason I couldn't find in on google is that it is not (contrary to the claim in post #46) a 'roll up keyboard', but a rigid keyboard with a membrane component which, when disassembled, can be rolled up. Not quite the same thing.

So I return to my original point. 50 screws to make an inexpensive floppy membrane rigid in a mass produced item, does not strike me as efficient or elegant engineering. Although my experience as an engineer in high volume consumer electronics manufacturing might make me slightly biased.

Figment

Fifer wrote: »

Ah! The reason I couldn't find in on google is that it is not (contrary to the claim in post #46) a 'roll up keyboard', but a rigid keyboard with a membrane component which, when disassembled, can be rolled up. Not quite the same thing.

So I return to my original point. 50 screws to make an inexpensive floppy membrane rigid in a mass produced item, does not strike me as efficient or elegant engineering. Although my experience as an engineer in high volume consumer electronics manufacturing might make me slightly biased.

I suggest you design something better and submit the idea to Apple.


(I'll only take 40% of global revenues)

mikey72

Fifer wrote: »

Ah! The reason I couldn't find in on google is that it is not (contrary to the claim in post #46) a 'roll up keyboard', but a rigid keyboard with a membrane component which, when disassembled, can be rolled up. Not quite the same thing.

So I return to my original point. 50 screws to make an inexpensive floppy membrane rigid in a mass produced item, does not strike me as efficient or elegant engineering. Although my experience as an engineer in high volume consumer electronics manufacturing might make me slightly biased.

Not an automated manufacture in a high tech assembly line I agree. Very cheap component cost, and very cheap hand assembly costs in somewhere like Vietman though.

LucianH

I haven't been entertained so much since the Mansion TV saga.:)

Gratis

LucianH wrote: »

I haven't been entertained so much since the Mansion TV saga.:)

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZSome might regard that as a paradox. :cool:

LucianH wrote: »

And could this be why we ignore your comments?

Oh, and by the way, this paradox will be my last thought on the subject.

real1314

Notmyrealname wrote: »

Actually it isn't. It is less. For example, take the 27" iMac. The only way it is remotely possible to build the same spec PC for the same price is to put Linux on it and even then, there's no Thunderbolt port on the PC, you're using a mid level motherboard and there's a ton of cables hanging out the back.

What it is possible to do is buy a PC with the equivalent CPU, RAM, HDD, graphics card and same sized display for 1/3 the price of a Mac but it doesn't make it equivalent.

It is like claiming the £350 Lenovo Thinkpad is better than their flagship T series because it has a faster CPU, larger HDD and more RAM. However place both on the floor, close the lid, jump on them and then try to use them and you'll be left in absolutely no doubt that the £350 one is nowhere near as good as the T series as the £350 one is opened to the sound of cracked plastic and brokenscreen whereas the T series carries on as if nothing has happened.

I always buy my tomato's from apple - they sell them cosseted in tissue paper then encased in a steel box.
Those one's you get from the supermarket's are alway's squashing when you jump on them, just like cheap laptop's.
I find sturdiness is the key factor when deciding what to buy. Actual performance in the intended use is irrelevant if it can't take 11 stone's through 2 size 8 boots! :cool: