Today I got a lesson in Apple build quality.

Figment

mikey72

Isn't a roll up keyboard a cheap and nasty rubbery thing? Aldi sell them. What's it doing trying to work full time on a laptop? No wonder it needs replacing. No wonder it needs 50 screws to stop it flopping all over then place.

Dussed

Figment wrote: »

Well said sir, well said.

Gratis

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Andy_L

mikey72 wrote: »

Isn't a roll up keyboard a cheap and nasty rubbery thing? Aldi sell them. What's it doing trying to work full time on a laptop? No wonder it needs replacing. No wonder it needs 50 screws to stop it flopping all over then place.

From reading the OP its not a roll-up (USB?) keyboard but the keyboard gubbins, when removed form the case by undoing 50 screws, is flexible/flimsy enough to roll up

Fifer

Gratis wrote: »

May I, with great respect, ask you to define "the average user" of a laptop?

Personally, I believe there to be no such thing.

I'm using the common definition of average rather than the statistical (See 2b under noun and 3 under adjective). Sorry, I didn't realise that English wasn't your first language.

av·er·age (vr-j, vrj)
n.
1. Mathematics
a. A number that typifies a set of numbers of which it is a function.
b. See arithmetic mean.
2.
a. An intermediate level or degree: near the average in size.
b. The usual or ordinary kind or quality: Although the wines vary, the average is quite good.
3. Sports The ratio of a team's or player's successful performances such as wins, hits, or goals, divided by total opportunities for successful performance, such as games, times at bat, or shots: finished the season with a .500 average; a batting average of .274.
4. Law
a. The loss of a ship or cargo, caused by damage at sea.
b. The incurrence of damage or loss of a ship or cargo at sea.
c. The equitable distribution of such a loss among concerned parties.
d. A charge incurred through such a loss.
5. Nautical Small expenses or charges that are usually paid by the master of a ship.
adj.
1. Mathematics Of, relating to, or constituting an average.
2. Being intermediate between extremes, as on a scale: a player of average ability.
3. Usual or ordinary in kind or character: a poll of average people; average eyesight.
4. Assessed in accordance with the law of averages.
v. av·er·aged, av·er·ag·ing, av·er·ag·es
v.tr.
1. Mathematics To calculate the average of: average a set of numbers.
2. To do or have an average of: averaged three hours of work a day.
3. To distribute proportionately: average one's income over four years so as to minimize the tax rate.
v.intr.

Gratis wrote: »

And, like David Hume, I strive always to proportion my belief to the evidence.

Most certainly, I believe the Forth Bridge to have more rivets than any laptop (including a Macbook Pro) has screws securing its keyboard. So, I'd also be grateful if you'd adduce for me the evidence for your statement to the contrary.

Hyperbole is another common English language device. I'm certain Hume was no stranger to it.

Gratis wrote: »

I long held you in high regard on MSE but, sadly, your intellectual discipline seems to have gone into decline this last year. For that, you have my sympathy. Age takes a cruel toll, eventually.

I'd also refer you, without wishing to be unkind, to Post #46 in this thread.

Not being an Apple aficionado (and not knowing what a MBP was before reading this thread) I was unaware that the OP was referring to a flexible keyboard and cannot find such an Apple product by googling. Perhaps someone would be so kind as to link to this product so I might understand why a flexible keyboard requires 50 screws?

phoneguy

Gratis wrote: »

You (and others) have missed the essential point. This is a roll-up keyboard. The screws don't hold it together; they hold it in place. Elegantly and securely, giving it a good feel when typing.

So how come it broke and needed total replacement?
Rubbish build quality, that's why.

mikey72

Fifer wrote: »

............Not being an Apple aficionado (and not knowing what a MBP was before reading this thread) I was unaware that the OP was referring to a flexible keyboard and cannot find such an Apple product by googling. Perhaps someone would be so kind as to link to this product so I might understand why a flexible keyboard requires 50 screws?

I think he means apple don't use proper keyborads in their laptops, It's just a rubber membrane type, held into a rigid frame by 50 screws. Like a tv remote control. Much cheaper to build then decent individual keys with real contacts in each key. If it is rubber with little blisters of conductive carbon in each blister, that's why it wore out so quickly.

Fifer

mikey72 wrote: »

I think he means apple don't use proper keyborads in their laptops, It's just a rubber membrane type, held into a rigid frame by 50 screws. Like a tv remote control. Much cheaper to build then decent individual keys with real contacts in each key. If it is rubber with little blisters of conductive carbon in each blister, that's why it wore out so quickly.

And this is an example of elegant, efficient, reliable engineering?

Gratis

Now, now, Fifer, proportion your belief to the evidence.

(Otherwise you’re in danger of being called a type of ‘ole that begins unabbreviated with an A instead of an H.)

You don’t know what the evidence actually is, do you – because, as you’ve already explained, you lack the competence to find it yourself on Google. (Something that your perceived but so far unexplained “average user” of a laptop also cannot do?)

So here the evidence is for you – as requested and via Google:

http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/MacBook-Pro-15-Inch-Unibody-Teardown/590/4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJ9XnsdbGHY&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvqQF02G5Ns&feature=related


And worry not, I’ll reply to your earlier raving when I’ve finished sunbathing in my native language.