MSE News: Half a million could lose disability benefits

Dunroamin

ineed wrote: »

:eek: your joking right?! that's disgusting as if people with terminal illness don't go through enough already without having to be subjected to a medical for benefits as well.

Cancer is not a terminal diagnosis! How ridiculous to assume that everyone with cancer should automatically be able to claim disability benefits, whether ESA or DLA!

Mrs_Arcanum

Dunroamin wrote: »

Cancer is not a terminal diagnosis! How ridiculous to assume that everyone with cancer should automatically be able to claim disability benefits, whether ESA or DLA!

Nor is every type curable especially if not caught soon enough. :mad: Atos seem to have problems understanding the difference.

However, DLA has been given for life to people with temporary disabilities & I suspect this is where many of the reductions will come from when PIP is brought in.

FBaby

cit_k wrote: »

Perhaps MSE should restrict entry of benefit threads to those who can pass a test about the benefit in question.

Far to many threads are just full of people posting rubbish, because they dont have a clue what they are talking about - yet are happy to denounce other people based on their lack of knowledge.

It would not be to bad, if people said they were clueless, but they make false statements on a regular basis.

That would therefore include those who posted on the thread about the man asking what his wife can claim as a result of her suffering from suppression advising that if she had supervision needs or needs for motivation she should apply for DLA. Of course those needs would apply to half the teenage population but am sure no one would suggest applying for DLA. But of course the suggestion of applying for DLA had nothing to do with the mention of the word depression.

You constant aggression towards people who have different opinions to yours only has for affect of making you not credible which ironically defies what you are desperate to do which is convince any one that you know better.

Dunroamin

Mrs_Arcanum wrote: »

Nor is every type curable especially if not caught soon enough. :mad: Atos seem to have problems understanding the difference.

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Even if a cancer isn't curable, it doesn't mean that it's any more terminal than any other non curable condition nor that it automatically means that the patient is unable to work or has care or mobility needs.

Cancer patients shouldn't be in a special category just based on the name of their condition.

Mrs_Arcanum

Dunroamin wrote: »

Even if a cancer isn't curable, it doesn't mean that it's any more terminal than any other non curable condition nor that it automatically means that the patient is unable to work or has care or mobility needs.

Cancer patients shouldn't be in a special category just based on the name of their condition.

Atos shouldn't base their decisions on a computer programme, but they do. I know several people who have had cancer and they are back working following treatment. During which time the most they claimed was SSP.

Terminal Cancer sufferers who need help from ESA are being diagnosed by NON specialists as being fit for work. ESA is ALSO the new SSP as it is a catch all term. Employment & Support Allowance.

From the Direct Gov site ~

What happens if you can't get SSP or it ends?
If you cannot get SSP or SSP has ended your employer must fill in form SSP1 and give this to you. On the form, your employer must say why SSP has not been paid or why it is ending and the last date of payment.
Form SSP1 is used to support a claim for Employment and Support Allowance (ESA). It is important that your employer give this form to you as soon as possible. Without the information on the form a decision on your entitlement to ESA cannot be made which may delay payment.

FBaby

So one hand we are being told that elligibility has nothing to do with the actual diagnosis (ie. mental health categories), but on the other hand, it is despicable that it isn't (cancer)...

Sounds to me like 'I will pick and chose what applies to what as I decide what is or isn't fair'.

Dunroamin

Mrs_Arcanum wrote: »

Atos shouldn't base their decisions on a computer programme, but they do. I know several people who have had cancer and they are back working following treatment. During which time the most they claimed was SSP.

Terminal Cancer sufferers who need help from ESA are being diagnosed by NON specialists as being fit for work. ESA is ALSO the new SSP as it is a catch all term. Employment & Support Allowance.

From the Direct Gov site ~

People with conditions which are expected to be terminal within 6 months (including cancer) are able to claim DLA under the special rules. People with a condition which could be terminal over a longer period (including cancer) might or might not be able to work during that period.

Being fit for work has nothing to do with a specific diagnosis.

~Chameleon~

FBaby wrote: »

That would therefore include those who posted on the thread about the man asking what his wife can claim as a result of her suffering from suppression advising that if she had supervision needs or needs for motivation she should apply for DLA. Of course those needs would apply to half the teenage population but am sure no one would suggest applying for DLA. But of course the suggestion of applying for DLA had nothing to do with the mention of the word depression.

I have no idea to which thread you refer nor do I have any idea what suppression is, but I do know that just because someone suggests a person should making a claim for a benefit doesn't automatically mean that person will actually qualify for it.

I guess I'm right in assuming you've never actually seen the forms required to for application nor have undergone the process of actually claiming DLA?

Mrs_Arcanum

Dunroamin wrote: »

People with conditions which are expected to be terminal within 6 months (including cancer) are able to claim DLA under the special rules. People with a condition which could be terminal over a longer period (including cancer) might or might not be able to work during that period.

Being fit for work has nothing to do with a specific diagnosis.

However it is very !!!!!! to make someone look for work and NOT get some help when they are terminally ill with a SHORT life expectancy. Can anyone really justify such harsh waste of the few months someone may have left? Let alone expect an employer to take on someone who could drop dead on them.

When PIP comes in they wont get this as there is a 6 month lead in time before a claim can be made. :mad:

FBaby

~Chameleon~ wrote: »

I have no idea to which thread you refer nor do I have any idea what suppression is, but I do know that just because someone suggests a person should making a claim for a benefit doesn't automatically mean that person will actually qualify for it.

I guess I'm right in assuming you've never actually seen the forms required to for application nor have undergone the process of actually claiming DLA?

Are you saying that no one suffering from depression (not suppression :-) )ever gets DLA on the basis of requiring supervision and/or motivation? of course depression is not a direct ticket to it but it is an avenue to it which is not open to people with possibly similar needs but not suffering from what receives a mental health label.