MSE News: Half a million could lose disability benefits

shedboy94

Ellejmorgan wrote: »

Terrible attitude towards disibility, don't be so self assured as aren't there going to be government cuts soon within the benefits service..I know for a fact that there are job loses within the HMRC, i'm sure others will follow suit..

Didn't take much as well for me to have a disability, I went to bed and woke up like it, so don't be so sure it won't happen to you..

You are absolutely correct, the governments of the past few years have been using the public sector as scape goats and compete with each other in being the ones to cut the most jobs. Ironically though by employing more staff then there would be a greater ability to collect in the 10's of billions of uncollected taxes and severely reduce benefit fraud as there would be more resources to check more benefit claims for fraud.
I have said in a previous post that those who need the money should get it, but reforms are needed to weed out the fraudsters and scroungers.
Not everyone on DLA NEEDS additional money but they all get it. They also then qualify for even more money from WTC.

Ellejmorgan

shedboy94 wrote: »

You are absolutely correct, the governments of the past few years have been using the public sector as scape goats and compete with each other in being the ones to cut the most jobs. Ironically though by employing more staff then there would be a greater ability to collect in the 10's of billions of uncollected taxes and severely reduce benefit fraud as there would be more resources to check more benefit claims for fraud.
I have said in a previous post that those who need the money should get it, but reforms are needed to weed out the fraudsters and scroungers.
Not everyone on DLA NEEDS additional money but they all get it. They also then qualify for even more money from WTC.

That' not true not all DLA claimants can get extra tax credits you have to be on a certain rate..

shedboy94

Ellejmorgan wrote: »

That' not true not all DLA claimants can get extra tax credits you have to be on a certain rate..

Wrong. Even if you are in receipt of lowest rate you can receive the disability premium if you work at least 16hpw. If you are on hcc, and don't work, your partner can receive the disability premium if they are working.
You also receive extra money for a disabled child on top of dla.

All dependant on income of course.

Please check your facts before making comments.

cit_k

shedboy94 wrote: »

Seeing as the poster worked for DWP, I think it's fair to say they would have an idea of whether they would qualify for a benefit they used to administer.".....

Working for the DWP is not the same as experiencing what actually happens at assessment.

cit_k

shedboy94 wrote: »

You guess wrong, I don't work for the Dwp. Regardless of what the stated figure is, my point was that fraud levels are always understated because the higher the figure, the worse they look. Also they only ever use a small sample of claims to get the estimates.

Judging by the number of posts you have you clearly don't work and therefore probably are an expert on benefits.

I'll keep administering the benefits and you keep looking for work......in between all your time on here obviously......

And you again, are still wrong.

Politicians and ministers have no problems with overstating fraud - in fact they positively revel in it.

The only problem is they are unable to back up what they say with official data - so make vague accusations.

They would love nothing more than to be able to officially state fraud is massive.

cit_k

FBaby wrote: »

Are you saying that no one suffering from depression (not suppression :-) )ever gets DLA on the basis of requiring supervision and/or motivation? of course depression is not a direct ticket to it but it is an avenue to it which is not open to people with possibly similar needs but not suffering from what receives a mental health label.

I dont understand what your point is, depression can be a very, very debilitating illness - sometimes fatal.

A diagnosis is not required for DLA anyway, although without one, you would have to go to a tribunal in order to let them hear the facts, so they could decide if you really do have those care/mobility problems.

cit_k

FBaby wrote: »

Thick skin I do have that's what has made me cope with high levels of stress and stay at work when others have gone on to be signed off work for months. Being passionate doesn't give any one the right to belittle any one's else opinion because it differs to yours. One person's rubbish is another one's treasure!

If someone writes garbage, then its garbage - if someone writes incorrect facts then they are writing incorrect facts. If someone has done such a thing, then others have the right to point that out.

A time will most likely come when you yourself are ill - and too ill to work, but then your mindset will most likely be of the type that 'your' problems are genuine, and everyone elses were not.

Its hypocritical, and rather egotistical to think your somehow 'better' than those that are ill to work.

Perhaps you should read up on mental illness, then you would realise what a plonker you sound like coming out with rubbish about having a thick skin, and how it enables you to be better than those who are off sick.

You can have the skin of a rhino - get a mental illness and be reduced to a walking, if not suicidal zombified person.

cit_k

shedboy94 wrote: »

You are absolutely correct, the governments of the past few years have been using the public sector as scape goats and compete with each other in being the ones to cut the most jobs. Ironically though by employing more staff then there would be a greater ability to collect in the 10's of billions of uncollected taxes and severely reduce benefit fraud as there would be more resources to check more benefit claims for fraud.
I have said in a previous post that those who need the money should get it, but reforms are needed to weed out the fraudsters and scroungers.
Not everyone on DLA NEEDS additional money but they all get it. They also then qualify for even more money from WTC.

So where are these reforms designed to weed out fraudsters then?

None in place that I can see - only a plan to make fraud easier by putting less emphasis on medical science, and more on quackery.

ineed

Dunroamin wrote: »

No more ridiculous than your suggestion!

You know for a fact GPs have a a broad knowledge of most conditions and will refer you to a specialist consultants to deal with your specific problem. You do not get this option with an ATOS interview at the present time; you could have RA and end up seeing a midwife who has no expierence of your condition.

Dunroamin wrote: »

Cancer is not a terminal diagnosis! How ridiculous to assume that everyone with cancer should automatically be able to claim disability benefits, whether ESA or DLA!

My previous post was talking about claiming DLA under the special rules, which is only for terminal illness, then a comment was made about ATOS in response to my comment, so was it so far fetched of me to think that comment was regarding terminally ill people?

cit_k

FBaby wrote: »

That would therefore include those who posted on the thread about the man asking what his wife can claim as a result of her suffering from suppression advising that if she had supervision needs or needs for motivation she should apply for DLA. Of course those needs would apply to half the teenage population but am sure no one would suggest applying for DLA. But of course the suggestion of applying for DLA had nothing to do with the mention of the word depression.

You constant aggression towards people who have different opinions to yours only has for affect of making you not credible which ironically defies what you are desperate to do which is convince any one that you know better.

I guess I hit a nerve, and rather than taking it on board, you respond by trying to falsely attack and undermine the messenger - a rather old, childish tactic.