MSE News: Half a million could lose disability benefits

cit_k

FBaby wrote: »

So one hand we are being told that elligibility has nothing to do with the actual diagnosis (ie. mental health categories), but on the other hand, it is despicable that it isn't (cancer)...

Sounds to me like 'I will pick and chose what applies to what as I decide what is or isn't fair'.

The whole atos style assessment process / rules are despicable - not one ounce of common sense in the lot of it.
But what do you expect when you copy a system designed to deny insurance claims - and apply it to benefits.

Ellejmorgan

shedboy94 wrote: »

Wrong. Even if you are in receipt of lowest rate you can receive the disability premium if you work at least 16hpw. If you are on hcc, and don't work, your partner can receive the disability premium if they are working.
You also receive extra money for a disabled child on top of dla.

All dependant on income of course.

Please check your facts before making comments.

You are wrong, if you are on ESA and low rate DLA you cannot get extra tax credits for disability..ask anyone..

ineed

cit_k wrote: »

you respond by trying to falsely attack and undermine the messenger - a rather old, childish tactic.

Seems to be happening a lot lately.

Dunroamin

ineed wrote: »

You know for a fact GPs have a a broad knowledge of most conditions and will refer you to a specialist consultants to deal with your specific problem. You do not get this option with an ATOS interview at the present time; you could have RA and end up seeing a midwife who has no expierence of your condition.

But ATOS are not diagnosing or treating you, despite the misleading title of a "medical" so they don't need any specific breadth of knowledge.


My previous post was talking about claiming DLA under the special rules, which is only for terminal illness, then a comment was made about ATOS in response to my comment, so was it so far fetched of me to think that comment was regarding terminally ill people?

The post you replied to was about cancer patients generally so it didn't read as if you were only talking about people claiming under the special rules. Many people seem to believe that cancer patients should be a special case in everything so it was reasonable to read your post in that way.

Dunroamin

Ellejmorgan wrote: »

You are wrong, if you are on ESA and low rate DLA you cannot get extra tax credits for disability..ask anyone..

Nobody's talking about someone on ESA, the subject is someone working and claiming WTC.

ineed

Dunroamin wrote: »

The post you replied to was about cancer patients generally so it didn't read as if you were only talking about people claiming under the special rules. Many people seem to believe that cancer patients should be a special case in everything so it was reasonable to read your post in that way.

I replied to a comment asking what about cancer with a post about the special rules. Then someone replied to me so not unreasonably I thought we were talking about the special rules.

So reading over your posts, you think people with cancer that have a chance to beat it should not claim anything anyway and should be forced to go to work even if they feel sick, faint and depressed because of chemo? Seems pretty cold. I hope I'm misunderstanding you there.

Edit: oh and the reason so many people are found fit for work and the win appeals is because ATOS staff do not have any knowledge of the persons condition and tend to put the wrong information on forms.

Ellejmorgan

ineed wrote: »

You know for a fact GPs have a a broad knowledge of most conditions and will refer you to a specialist consultants to deal with your specific problem. You do not get this option with an ATOS interview at the present time; you could have RA and end up seeing a midwife who has no expierence of your condition.



My previous post was talking about claiming DLA under the special rules, which is only for terminal illness, then a comment was made about ATOS in response to my comment, so was it so far fetched of me to think that comment was regarding terminally ill people?

I had to make a request to see a doctor at last medical because I new I could end up seeing anyone..
A midwife would have had to assess the reflexes in my foot otherwise, how could they do that if I hadn't have made the request..You are right, you could see somone who knows nothing about the condition..

shedboy94

cit_k wrote: »

So where are these reforms designed to weed out fraudsters then?

None in place that I can see - only a plan to make fraud easier by putting less emphasis on medical science, and more on quackery.

I'm sure you'll be fine.

shedboy94

Ellejmorgan wrote: »

You are wrong, if you are on ESA and low rate DLA you cannot get extra tax credits for disability..ask anyone..

Why not ask me......who actually deals with tax credits every day......or read this.


http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/taxcredits/tc956.pdf

Again get your facts straight.

Table 2b on page 11 in case you miss it.

krisskross

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So reading over your posts, you think people with cancer that have a chance to beat it should not claim anything anyway and should be forced to go to work even if they feel sick, faint and depressed because of chemo? Seems pretty cold. I hope I'm misunderstanding you there.

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About 40% of us are likely to be diagnosed with cancer at some time in our lives. Surely you are not suggesting that almost half of us should claim sickness/disability benefits because of a diagnosis?

My husband had surgery to remove cancer last year and made it to the year milestone with no recurrence this month. His care and treatment have not impinged on his life sufficiently, on their own, to warrant extra money. Simply another medical issue to add to his list.