MSE News: Half a million could lose disability benefits

cit_k

FBaby wrote: »

But aren't these the same situation than when their consultant/GP ask them to describe their condition and how it affect them. It's never a nice experience, but we do it because we have to to get treatment (I can think of how undignifying it is to discuss your sex life to an emotionless consultant just so you can be assessed for IVF). Why is it any different to do the same to get an income?

When a GP asks - they ask relavent questions.

They dont probe into areas that are unrelated, so they can say for example because you watch television you cannot be ill. Or because you own a goldfish you do not have mental health issues.

You know that the GP is listening, and will be asking the questions for ethical purposes, not asking them to make up a lie that tries to say you yourself are lying.

cit_k

MissMoneypenny wrote: »

We can't carry on with huge numbers claiming when they aren't that disabled or are not disabled at all. Any reasonable person realises that medicals had to happen. As we have seen from posts on this thread and others, it's not the genuine disabled claimants who fear these medicals.

But that is not happening at the moment, what makes you think it is - propaganda that is what.

cit_k

princessdon wrote: »

Sorry but I don't see why not if being honest. It's often mind over matter, I truly beleive if the govt said to people, no more or work many and I mean many would find work.

It's all too easy to remain on benefits and expect the tax payer to pay (somehow they don't expect an employer to pay) when with support and that is the key word here "support" it is possible.

Many don't have that luxury (like the previous poster) of ever being able to work - not at all possible. If they could - even if hard, they'd do it in a heartbeat.

There is no reason why I can work (and look after a family alone) and others with the same condition can't other than personal attitude!

Unfortunately, you seem to be lacking common sense, and have no idea what you are talking about.

cit_k

Dunroamin wrote: »

Perhaps a better comparison might be Douglas Bader, who had no legs but flew Spitfires during the war without a team of PAs or even a claim for benefits.

(And yes, before you all shout, I know he was exceptional, but that doesn't mean that it isn't a valid comparison.)

except they retired him on medical grounds when he lost his legs, and had recovered.


They only rehired him when the war broke out, and they made sure they capatalised on the long term propaganda.

ps - he was also responsible for the accident, by ignoring safety rules, and messing around with acrobatics in the air he was not allowed to do.
So he also cost them a fortune with the crash, and his treatment - all self inflicted.

A rather selfish person really, putting others lives at risk - by performing stunts against the rules.

Ellejmorgan

princessdon wrote: »

Sorry but I don't see why not if being honest. It's often mind over matter, I truly beleive if the govt said to people, no more or work many and I mean many would find work.

It's all too easy to remain on benefits and expect the tax payer to pay (somehow they don't expect an employer to pay) when with support and that is the key word here "support" it is possible.

Many don't have that luxury (like the previous poster) of ever being able to work - not at all possible. If they could - even if hard, they'd do it in a heartbeat.

There is no reason why I can work (and look after a family alone) and others with the same condition can't other than personal attitude!

You have PND and high blood pressure hardly as bad as losing a leg or other major surgery is it..
Your doc wanted to sign you off, you don't want to all it means is you are not as far down the road as some of us..
I'm waiting for the 'how do I claim ESA' thread from you, it will happen trust me..

Nothing to do with personal attitude at all you just ain't sick enough yet..

clemmatis

FBaby wrote: »

Stress, attention deficit disorder, depression, avoidance behaviour, alcoholism, anxiety, CFS, extreme shyness or whatever term they use for this, agoraphobia...the list goes on....

So what is left that could only fall under the category of laziness or 'just can't be bothered' that would prevent from someone not working but not fall under the medical spectum, mental health/personality disorder?

This is just bizarre, and not only because DLA is not an out of work benefit... . None of these categories allows a DLA claim on those grounds alone. None.

~Chameleon~

clemmatis wrote: »

This is just bizarre, and not only because DLA is not an out of work benefit... . None of these categories allows a DLA claim on those grounds alone. None.

Unfortunately, many are clueless as to what exactly forms the basis of a DLA claim, or how extremely difficult it is to claim. And far too many people make far too many erroneous assumptions about those who are in receipt of it, often getting it so badly wrong!

mcculloch29

~Chameleon~ wrote: »

Unfortunately, many are clueless as to what exactly forms the basis of a DLA claim, or how extremely difficult it is to claim. And far too many people make far too many erroneous assumptions about those who are in receipt of it, often getting it so badly wrong!

This discussion proves that! Everyone seems to know someone who has a spurious claim to DLA- all I can say is that I've never met one. Moreover, trying to claim the benefit is so soul-destroying, stressful and demeaning that goodness knows how many rightful claimants don't claim or give up when unfairly assessed.
Just to repeat.
It's not a means-tested benefit.
You can work and receive DLA.
There is no such thing as a free car - a claim for mobility at the higher rate can be used to lease a car from Motability. But you may have to meet deposits and adaptations out of your own pocket.
(Repeat as required.)

BigAunty

I've read that the UK has one of the highest proportion of working age people on sickness/disability benefits in the developed world.

Is this actually the case and what is the cause of this?

Ellejmorgan

BigAunty wrote: »

I've read that the UK has one of the highest proportion of working age people on sickness/disability benefits in the developed world.

Is this actually the case and what is the cause of this?

Illness