MSE News: Half a million could lose disability benefits

FBaby

Stress, attention deficit disorder, depression, avoidance behaviour, alcoholism, anxiety, CFS, extreme shyness or whatever term they use for this, agoraphobia...the list goes on....

So what is left that could only fall under the category of laziness or 'just can't be bothered' that would prevent from someone not working but not fall under the medical spectum, mental health/personality disorder?

cit_k

Broke_n_Broken wrote: »

DIDN'T YOU KNOW???

All disabled people are lying, cheating, benefit scrounging scum.

Not one disabled person works.
They are all happy to sit on their backsides raking in thousands of pounds a week!

All disabled people are experienced fraudsters, with law degrees, who dedicate their lives to cheating the poor defenceless government out of tax payers hard earned money.

Some even chew through their own arm or leg so they can claim more money!

The poor, underpaid ministers, who work their backsides off 52 weeks a year are trying their bestest, to defend the tax payer.
Spending their own meager salary & never claiming benefits or expenses they are committed to reducing taxes for all hard working bankers!
:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Your IDS or Cameron in disguise surely lol.

cit_k

shedboy94 wrote: »

No, they just pass on tips on this forum on how to pass medical examinations......!!!

I do agree that some people incur additional expenses because of their medical conditions........but why does EVERYONE on DLA get additional money?

Junkies and alcoholics get additional money - I'm sure they don't use it to buy drugs and alcohol.......

Mobility cars........I know plenty of people who work FT and can afford a car, but the nice givernment gives them money to get a free one.

Again, we have the most generous benefit system in the world. and the easiest to claim..........no wonder everyone is moaning about it being reviewed.

source?

Seeing as even before the reforms, the old incapacity benefit tests were regarded officially as one of the toughest in the world.

Lady_K

FBaby wrote: »

Stress, attention deficit disorder, depression, avoidance behaviour, alcoholism, anxiety, CFS, extreme shyness or whatever term they use for this, agoraphobia...the list goes on....

So what is left that could only fall under the category of laziness or 'just can't be bothered' that would prevent from someone not working but not fall under the medical spectum, mental health/personality disorder?

Well seeing as the boy I mentioned in my previous post showed signs of these things (without the drugs and alchohol) from even before he could walk but was awarded dla from age 3 he wasnt aware of benefits at that age so laziness wouldnt even come into it, it is just a real dissability that a lot of people will never really understand or label it bad behavior. Many people did then about him and some do now. They have no idea

ineed

FBaby wrote: »

Stress, attention deficit disorder, depression, avoidance behaviour, alcoholism, anxiety, CFS, extreme shyness or whatever term they use for this, agoraphobia...the list goes on....

So what is left that could only fall under the category of laziness or 'just can't be bothered' that would prevent from someone not working but not fall under the medical spectum, mental health/personality disorder?

It isn't enough to just say your suffering anxiety or depression, those conditions alone will not get you DLA unless they severely affect your life. A condition like Agoraphobia, Socal Phobia etc would as those conditions are awful and often come with other problems like depression and anxiety. I used to know a guy with Agoraphbia who had to be sectioned because of other conditions resulting from the Agoraphobia. And you can't just say you have these conditions and get benefits, you need strong proof. You'd need your GP to sign you off, be on medication and be under the mental health team. With DLA you have to have the condition three months and be expected to have it for a further six months.

Anubis_2

FBaby wrote: »

Stress, attention deficit disorder, depression, avoidance behaviour, alcoholism, anxiety, CFS, extreme shyness or whatever term they use for this, agoraphobia...the list goes on....

So what is left that could only fall under the category of laziness or 'just can't be bothered' that would prevent from someone not working but not fall under the medical spectum, mental health/personality disorder?

DLA is not an out of work benefit.

CFS and ME can be fatal and a lot commit suicide due to the experience of living with it. It's a very under estimated condition but thankfully the medical understanding of it is improving.

None of the conditions you mention are born of laziness at all, but some may be used as excuses, I agree. Genuine sufferers though can be living in a nightmare. Getting DLA now is very hard.

Ellejmorgan

FBaby wrote: »

Stress, attention deficit disorder, depression, avoidance behaviour, alcoholism, anxiety, CFS, extreme shyness or whatever term they use for this, agoraphobia...the list goes on....

So what is left that could only fall under the category of laziness or 'just can't be bothered' that would prevent from someone not working but not fall under the medical spectum, mental health/personality disorder?

Glad you have no health concerns whatsoever...
When you do i'm sure you'll change your attitude..

What's the statistic ?? Is it 1 in 3 adults that have mental health issues at some point..

cit_k

shedboy94 wrote: »

Believe what you want

I'm a benefit adviser - I know how much fraud there is.

DWP......our fraud rate is 0.05% - oohh...that's not too bad!!
DWP......our fraud rate is 10% - WOW that's terrible...whoever is in charge must be doing a terrible job and must besacked immediately.

What is the more likely scenario to spin out??

Your a 'benefit advisor'?

Working for the dwp, Im guessing you are, as you seem completely clueless on the subject of benefits.

For starters, its not 0.05 percent its 0.5 percent .

Tip - give up the day job and let someone who knows what they are doing take over - it is unfair for someone clueless to be advising people on benefits.

cit_k

Dunroamin wrote: »

As we all know so well that ATOS medicals are done by a script and a computer programme, I fail to see how this can be either an interrogation or even remotely personal.

There is no 'script'.
Lima prompts the assessor for what areas to probe, what type of questions to ask - and the assessor has free reign in their interogation techniques to obtain any information that will please the lima system.

They can be very, very personal the assessments.

cit_k

rogerblack wrote: »

It depends.
In the best case - the person understands the disease, is a fast typist, proficient with a computer, having a good day, ... the process can be done fairly well, and the computer adds to the process by suggesting things that may have been missed, allowing the professional to either follow up on these, or delete them if inappropriate.

If these things aren't true - even someone attempting to do their job to the best of their ability is going to find it really difficult to generate an accurate report in the time allotted.

Looking at the design of the software - I quite understand where 'lies' are coming in.

It is - in I suspect nearly all cases - not intentional - but simply the fact that it's _really_ hard to type and compose meaningful text while listening to the claimant answering a question - that may have an important fact buried in it about something else.

The fundamental problem with the unreliability of the work capability assessment is _NOT_ ATOS.
It's not the software.

It's the limited time that HCPs have to do the assessment, and the fact that they can't - for example - edit the report later, after having checked the recording.

Of course - this leaves aside the question of if it's a fundamentally flawed process based on criteria that fail to accurately capture someones ability to work.

Nothing stopping them from correcting and editing the report at all.

In fact, I insisted they did at one point, when I noted they had put down an incorrect fact. Shame they did not let me see the rest of it, as I would have demanded the rest to be corrected to.

The fault does lie with ATOS - they are not allowing (due to time contstraints at best, or worse maybe even on purpose) assessors to review and correct the reports lima produces.