MSE News: Half a million could lose disability benefits

Invalidation

Dunroamin wrote: »

Perhaps a better comparison might be Douglas Bader, who had no legs but flew Spitfires during the war without a team of PAs or even a claim for benefits.

(And yes, before you all shout, I know he was exceptional, but that doesn't mean that it isn't a valid comparison.)

Bader was a rich man and DID have a lot of assistants to help him. dont speak about something you know nothing about.

Dunroamin

Invalidation wrote: »

Bader was a rich man and DID have a lot of assistants to help him. dont speak about something you know nothing about.

And how, exactly, did either of those things (even if they were true) help him when he was making escape attempts from POW camps? Do enlighten us.

Strange that it's always a person with disabilities who wants to knock another disabled person who manages to overcome them!)

samwich1979

I really hope some people out there DO lose their disability benefits.

Like the drunk, drug addict i was walking behind 2 days ago, who dared to complain to her lovely friends she was with, that she is being made to go on ESA and has to now get sick notes from her doctor to provide to the Job Centre.
She then said "How can they do this when ive been on f*****g DLA and IB since 2006?"

That REALLY got me that did.

This person walks the streets regularly with her drunk, drug addict friends shouting and having a laugh with her bottle of cider in hand and a nice tag on her ankle(she is well know for being in and out of police custody).

How do theses people get these benefits when there are others who really do need this and cant manage without the help of others.

My MIL's Auntie is 91 and finds it hard to get about theses days but doesnt moan about it, even she got turned down for a Blue badge to use when she goes shopping!

Im all for re-assessment because it will hopefully find the people who dont need help and the ones who do wont have anything to worry about.

Anubis_2

samwich1979 wrote: »

I really hope some people out there DO lose their disability benefits.

Like the drunk, drug addict i was walking behind 2 days ago, who dared to complain to her lovely friends she was with, that she is being made to go on ESA and has to now get sick notes from her doctor to provide to the Job Centre.
She then said "How can they do this when ive been on f*****g DLA and IB since 2006?"

That REALLY got me that did.

This person walks the streets regularly with her drunk, drug addict friends shouting and having a laugh with her bottle of cider in hand and a nice tag on her ankle(she is well know for being in and out of police custody).

How do theses people get these benefits when there are others who really do need this and cant manage without the help of others.

My MIL's Auntie is 91 and finds it hard to get about theses days but doesnt moan about it, even she got turned down for a Blue badge to use when she goes shopping!

Im all for re-assessment because it will hopefully find the people who dont need help and the ones who do wont have anything to worry about.

Personally I don't think drug addicts or alcoholics should be entitled to DLA. Sickness benefit perhaps, but not DLA - I'm shocked they are tbh, as it's obvious what the money is likely to be spent on.

It would be much better targetting support rather than payment in such cases, especially when there are genuine disabled people out there who are having to jump through hoops to get it.

samwich1979

Anubis wrote: »

Personally I don't think drug addicts or alcoholics should be entitled to DLA. Sickness benefit perhaps, but not DLA - I'm shocked they are tbh, as it's obvious what the money is likely to be spent iron.

It would be much better targetting support rather than payment in such cases, especially when there are genuine disabled people out there who are having to jump through hoops to gt it.

I totally agree.

There are plenty of support agencies for drug and alcohol misuse in my area but unfortunately as soon as they leave them you see the cans and bottles coming out straight away............

I dont know what the best course of action is for this group of people is but its certainly not DLA or IB.

That is for SICK or DISABLED people, which they obviously are not.

Anubis_2

samwich1979 wrote: »

I totally agree.

There are plenty of support agencies for drug and alcohol misuse in my area but unfortunately as soon as they leave them you see the cans and bottles coming out straight away............

I dont know what the best course of action is for this group of people is but its certainly not DLA or IB.

That is for SICK or DISABLED people, which they obviously are not.

Well I think they are sick, certainly in the case of alcoholism as its been deemed as a "disease" - not sure about drugs but addictive personality has a lot to do with it I guess.

http://www.alcohol-and-drug-guide.com/alcoholism-disease-types.html

It is true there are a lot of support places out there, even in my town there are a few. I do think they perhaps should be entitled to sickness benefits but not DLA. Perhaps in such cases a management program would work, where they get allocated a token for food and the token can not be used for alcohol etc but then they would only sell them.

It's a difficult one that has no specific answer.

Anubis_2

This also ignores the fact that one brother is a well known to the police, drug trafficker and the other has a massive lock up from which he distributes and sells all manner of 'copies' of designer clothes, handbags etc as well as claiming benefits. He currently has Porsche (as from last week) a black Range Rover and a convert BMW and lives in a fully renovated 4 bed semi with swimming pool in an upmarket area.

Ok.... I think it's a bit far fetched now :rotfl:

As for your daughter, find another rented property if what you claim is correct, as you and your daughter are acting as enablers.

I think Andy is back

Lady_K

samwich1979 wrote: »

I really hope some people out there DO lose their disability benefits.

Like the drunk, drug addict i was walking behind 2 days ago, who dared to complain to her lovely friends she was with, that she is being made to go on ESA and has to now get sick notes from her doctor to provide to the Job Centre.
She then said "How can they do this when ive been on f*****g DLA and IB since 2006?"

That REALLY got me that did.

This person walks the streets regularly with her drunk, drug addict friends shouting and having a laugh with her bottle of cider in hand and a nice tag on her ankle(she is well know for being in and out of police custody).

How do theses people get these benefits when there are others who really do need this and cant manage without the help of others.

My MIL's Auntie is 91 and finds it hard to get about theses days but doesnt moan about it, even she got turned down for a Blue badge to use when she goes shopping!

Im all for re-assessment because it will hopefully find the people who dont need help and the ones who do wont have anything to worry about.

That person will most likely not have been on DLA just for Alchoholism or Drug addiction.

I have a relative although he is only 15 at the moment, he has ADHD, Asberges, defiance disorder and much more, a list too long to put here.

He has alcohol problems, drug problems and is arrested several times a week. He is always due a court appearance for something or on parole or tagged. it is all connected to his conditions.
His mum has claimed DLA for him since he was 3 yrs old and hes been known to the police since that age too.

When he gets to 18 I suppose he will claim DLA for himself I don't know how that will work because he is in no way capable of looking after himself safely or dealing with money sensibly

ineed

samwich1979 wrote: »

I totally agree.

There are plenty of support agencies for drug and alcohol misuse in my area but unfortunately as soon as they leave them you see the cans and bottles coming out straight away............

I dont know what the best course of action is for this group of people is but its certainly not DLA or IB.

That is for SICK or DISABLED people, which they obviously are not.

I agree in part, but addiction is a sickness. I think it would be good to offer more support and rehab to these people. But giving them the DLA isn't a good idea as it is a temptation to buy drink/drugs.

Edit: you're probably correct Lady_K I didn't think about that, the benefits are most likely for an underlying condition.

Ellejmorgan

samwich1979 wrote: »

I really hope some people out there DO lose their disability benefits.

Like the drunk, drug addict i was walking behind 2 days ago, who dared to complain to her lovely friends she was with, that she is being made to go on ESA and has to now get sick notes from her doctor to provide to the Job Centre.
She then said "How can they do this when ive been on f*****g DLA and IB since 2006?"

That REALLY got me that did.

This person walks the streets regularly with her drunk, drug addict friends shouting and having a laugh with her bottle of cider in hand and a nice tag on her ankle(she is well know for being in and out of police custody).

How do theses people get these benefits when there are others who really do need this and cant manage without the help of others.

My MIL's Auntie is 91 and finds it hard to get about theses days but doesnt moan about it, even she got turned down for a Blue badge to use when she goes shopping!

Im all for re-assessment because it will hopefully find the people who dont need help and the ones who do wont have anything to worry about.

You don't know the full story though that's the problem people never do..

If you saw me on a good day you'd think there's nothing wrong with me, i'm 33 years old and if I told you I had a bad back you'd think yeah right...Once I explain in depth though, my surgeries and condition and the outlook for me, you'd get it..people don't see me on a bad day, I put the kids to school in a cab and I can't go out, with luck I can just about care for my baby..

That lass could have had any number of issues and DLA is hard to get, if she's been on it so long then that would suggest she's honest..

I don't like the idea of addictions being linked to DLA but aren't addictions linked to mental health ?? Are we also saying that depression shouldn't entitle us to DLA..
A lot of conditions have side affects of addictions for example some bipolar sufferers are more prone to addictions..
Where does the line get drawn ???